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  • I talked with CatMaster about this, but as you can tell by my username, I'm really religious. Just by doing research on the Assassin's Creed universe (I was thinking about getting into it), but I feel like I'm being attacked.


    The Templars in real life weren't evil. I just feel like they're saying Catholics are bad. It sounds like the Assassins Creed protagonists are all Muslim.

    Do the games really think we're inferior or evil? Because . . . I just need to have this conversation.

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    • As i pointed out in my reply they aren't attacking your religion or anybody else's religion. They would have caused too much controversy if the hey did, and the series probably wouldn't have lasted so long. In fact Ezio the protagonist in AC2 - Revelations is most likely catholic. True the Knights Templars weren't evil IRL, but this series is fiction. The developers had their reasons for using that organisation as the main antagonists, but it was not to make a statement that Catholics are evil. Also as I pointed the developers have disclaimers on their games mentioning their diverse staff, which probably includes practicing Catholics.

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    • So the whole protagonist-antagonist dynamic in this series is that the Assassins are the underdogs which means that whoever the dominant party for any given region and time period is either being influenced by or is affiliated with the antagonist. Due to another theme of the series which is that most conspiracy theories and legends are actually true means that Ubi is using the conspiracy that the Templars never really disbanded and are in control of a New World Order.

      Ubi has portrayed many groups in both good and bad lights. It’s not inherently anti-Catholic nor pro-Muslim. There has only been one Muslim protagonist who in fact was portrayed rather agnostically or areligious. There have been a similar number of Muslim main antagonists as there have been Catholic main antagonists.

      At the end of the day it’s a fictional story. I hope people aren’t taking to heart who Ubi casts as their antagonists as inherently bad and I doubt many are. Also remember terrible things have been done in the name of everything under the sun, just as great and wonderful things have also been done by people of every color and creed.

      As always. Nothing is True. Everything is Permitted.

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    • Hey CatholicPrincess, may I ask which games you have played or otherwise how ar into the series have you explored? I'm asking because I'm confused what gave you such an impression aside from the fact that the Knights Templar are antagonists and the Assassins are protagonists. The Assassins in the game are not actually Muslim but largely agnostic atheists unlike their real-life counterparts. In fact, many of the Templars in the game are also atheistic or at the very least deistic.

      As far as I know, the only time where Catholics might've been portrayed in a negative light in the series is in the story of Ezio Auditore set in the Renaissance era, but this was a time where it is well documented that the Popes such as Pope Alexander VI were not true to their faith, so it is only reflecting the corruption of this period, rather than criticizing Catholicism in itself.

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    • Thank you everyone. I do feel a lot better. :) For the record, I would have been fine with the series being pro-Muslim as long as no religion was "bad".

      But I feel better and I'm thinking about purchasing Odyssey. Thanks so much!

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    • In Reality The Templars Are Christian and the Assassins Are Muslim. but not in the game itself. people need to understand the fact that Assassin's Creed is All lies about the History of the Knights Templar and the Hashashin (Assassins) because in reality: the Templars are protectors of christian pilgrims when the Assassins are Drug Addicted Shia Muslim Hitmen for hire. so in reality: Templars are Not Dictators and the Assassins are not Freedom Fighters. im a catholic christian myself and i took Assassin's Creed too seriously that it made me want to join a Protest group in france against Ubisoft Called: Crusaders Against Ubisoft because Ubisoft is antagonizing christianity and is potraying muslim terrorists as heroes. ubisoft should of thinked twice before they chose the Assassins as the heroes and protagonists instead of the Templars as Villains and Antagonists. so its a true fact Assassin's Creed Is Anti-Christian. the Uneducated brainashed Fanboys and fangirls of the game dont understand the fact that assassins creed is based on an Islamic Group called the Hashashins. read a history book everyone and you'll understand the Templars are christian heroes and the Assassins are muslim terrorists. Deus Vult.

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    • HolyTemplarcm wrote:
      In Reality The Templars Are Christian and the Assassins Are Muslim. but not in the game itself. people need to understand the fact that Assassin's Creed is All lies about the History of the Knights Templar and the Hashashin (Assassins) because in reality: the Templars are protectors of christian pilgrims when the Assassins are Drug Addicted Shia Muslim Hitmen for hire. so in reality: Templars are Not Dictators and the Assassins are not Freedom Fighters. im a catholic christian myself and i took Assassin's Creed too seriously that it made me want to join a Protest group in france against Ubisoft Called: Crusaders Against Ubisoft because Ubisoft is antagonizing christianity and is potraying muslim terrorists as heroes. ubisoft should of thinked twice before they chose the Assassins as the heroes and protagonists instead of the Templars as Villains and Antagonists. so its a true fact Assassin's Creed Is Anti-Christian. the Uneducated brainashed Fanboys and fangirls of the game dont understand the fact that assassins creed is based on an Islamic Group called the Hashashins. read a history book everyone and you'll understand the Templars are christian heroes and the Assassins are muslim terrorists. Deus Vult.

      HolyTemplarism, please refer to the discussion above as I fear that you may have neglected to read it entirely. I should caution you against simplifying the conflict between the Assassins and Templars as one of Islam vs. Christianity, historically and fictionally. As aforementioned, the Templars and Assassins in the series are largely atheistic organizatons even if you might argue that they are ultimately based on respectively Christian and Islamic organizations. Moreover, both religions historically were not always unified and even to this present day are not unified. They are divided among many denominations which in certain time periods have waged war against one another (e.g. Catholics vs. Protestants, Sunni vs. Shi'a). There have certainly been moments in history where moderate Muslims and Christians aligned more with one another than with extremists of either faith, a fact that is still true today.

      Finally, I must inform you that the historical Assassins were not hitmen-for-hire. They were their own independent state (i.e. a country) which, owing to their small size, had to wage war through assassinations rather than fielding armies. Much like our fictional Assassins, they refused to harm innocent civilians and therefore do not qualify one of the conventional checks for being a terrorist organization. They still exist today and are called the Nizari, and they are well-integrated with Western society with the promotion of women's rights, secularism, pluralism, and religious tolerance as one of their goals.

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    • but still its historical fact that the Templars in Reality are christians and the Assassins in reality are muslims. its also true that an Assassin is a Term for a Killer For Hire which is the other term for hitman. Templars were christian warrior monks and Assassins are Drug Eatting Idiots in Reality. Accept it.

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    • HolyTemplarcm wrote:
      but still its historical fact that the Templars in Reality are christians and the Assassins in reality are muslims. its also true that an Assassin is a Term for a Killer For Hire which is the other term for hitman. Templars were christian warrior monks and Assassins are Drug Eatting Idiots in Reality. Accept it.

      The word assassin is etymologically derived from the historical Assassins, not the other way around. In other words, they were not called Assassins for being hitmen because they weren't. The term assassin came about because of their reputation for what we now call assassinations.

      As well, the story that they were drugged with hashish has not been proven to be true and has been thought by some scholars to be rumors spread by their enemies.

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    • HolyTemplarcm wrote: In Reality The Templars Are Christian and the Assassins Are Muslim. but not in the game itself. people need to understand the fact that Assassin's Creed is All lies about the History of the Knights Templar and the Hashashin (Assassins) because in reality: the Templars are protectors of christian pilgrims when the Assassins are Drug Addicted Shia Muslim Hitmen for hire. so in reality: Templars are Not Dictators and the Assassins are not Freedom Fighters. im a catholic christian myself and i took Assassin's Creed too seriously that it made me want to join a Protest group in france against Ubisoft Called: Crusaders Against Ubisoft because Ubisoft is antagonizing christianity and is potraying muslim terrorists as heroes. ubisoft should of thinked twice before they chose the Assassins as the heroes and protagonists instead of the Templars as Villains and Antagonists. so its a true fact Assassin's Creed Is Anti-Christian. the Uneducated brainashed Fanboys and fangirls of the game dont understand the fact that assassins creed is based on an Islamic Group called the Hashashins. read a history book everyone and you'll understand the Templars are christian heroes and the Assassins are muslim terrorists. Deus Vult.

      Funny how you talk about brainwashed fanboys and fangirls when that's exactly what the majority of you bible thumpers are.

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    • Everyone please remember to stay respectful and courteous towards one another regardless of your conflicting opinions. Personal attacks are strictly prohibited.

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    • Technically, even if the Hashashin were muslim, they were from the Shia Islam, and their principal targets were other muslims from the Sunna Islam. They were often allied with the Crusaders, which gave them fortress against an assassination contract. We had chronicles of the Grand Master of the Hashashins making gift to members of Templars Order. Around 1250, Louis IX of France even met the Grand Master of the Hashashins who planned to kill him but change his mind impress by the king. It's maybe why ubisoft choose the Sainte Chapel has the entrance of the Parisian Brotherhood as Louis IX constructed the building.

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    • @Sol Pacificus: I Dont know if your talking to me or both of us, i thank you for that even though i hate AC because of whats its based on, but i usually visit this site for the Updates of the Templar Order Pages even though the Templar Ideals in AC is Different than the Historical Real Ones, all i can do is ignore those who call the Templars on what they are not. since in Reality: Templars are Christian Warrior Monks and in Assassin's Creed: They Were Dictators, Just like in Reality the Hashashins are Jihadists and Drug Addicts and in the Game they were freedom fighters. but to share my honesty: i only believe in what the history books and historical documents say, Not from the Media (Movies, TV and Video Games, Internet).

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