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Religious Figures, Miracles, Destruction and AC.

  • First, I want to clarify: my english sucks (sorry about the cringe this may cause) and I'm a believer. I believe in Jesus Christ, he's my friend and savior and, as personal opinion, his example will never be repeated by anyone. I believe in God and in his infinite love. (Perhaps it's the wrong way but... it's mine haha). Having that in mind, let's get to the point:

    As you know, a link was provided by Erron White (here: http://wccftech.com/assassins-creed-origins-leaks-no-towers/). And among those rumors there's one which it says: "Without giving too much away, a piece of Eden is used during the Exodus and the crossing of the Red Sea [the staff of eden, for now], playing into the whole overwatching mission of the modern-day protagonist". If this is true, then we're gonna see how Moses free his people from the Pharaon's empire, in other words, how the staff were capable of creating the famous Plagues of Exodus. Was it the staff? or something more powerful? was it an illusion? (perhaps) I'm really hype to see that. The only think we know, thanks to the AC2 glyphs, is that the staff was capable of "part" the Red Sea. Maybe that was an illusion too, because Al Mualim in AC1 said the sea was never parted.

    This brings another interesting question... how will they tell Jesus' story? is it possible? AC is a game that shouldn't be taken seriouly. But as we know, there're people that disagrees to "change" the story of the Messiah by adding fantastic stuff. So Ubisoft will be willing to take the risk? What do you think?

    Because, with all we know until now, we can make a few conclussions:

    1- Jesus really died in the AC universe (The Shroud may heal the sick and cure wounds, but it can't return the spark of life to a dead body) and his corpse was stolen.

    2- Someone took Jesus' place in the cross and died instead of him (like what happened in AC Heresy with Joan of Arc)

    3- His disciples used the Shroud and the Anhk together, resurrecting him for 40 days only before his "ascending to the heavens".

    I want to know what do you think.

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    • It was stated in ACIII that, if enough people believe in the illusions created by a Piece of Eden, those illusions would become real. So presumably, when Moses created an illusion of  the Plagues of Egypt or the Red Sea parting, the collective belief of the Israelites made it real.

      I doubt we'll actually be playing through the events of the Exodus. At best, it would be a prologue, with the main story taking place sometime after.

      As for Jesus:

      1- His corpse was stolen by his disciples, who tried (unsuccessfully) to ressurect him with the Shroud.

      2- I'm pretty sure that it was still him who died on the cross, I don't recall any AC sources claiming otherwise.

      3- There are no sources stating that the Ahnk was ever in possession of Jesus or his disciples. As for the Ankh's abilities, it was stated to have ressurected Osiris for only a single night, suggesting that it couldn't ressurect anyone for longer than that.

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    • The Wikia Editor wrote: It was stated in ACIII that, if enough people believe in the illusions created by a Piece of Eden, those illusions would become real. So presumably, when Moses created an illusion of  the Plagues of Egypt or the Red Sea parting, the collective belief of the Israelites made it real.

      I doubt we'll actually be playing through the events of the Exodus. At best, it would be a prologue, with the main story taking place sometime after.

      As for Jesus:

      1- His corpse was stolen by his disciples, who tried (unsuccessfully) to ressurect him with the Shroud.

      2- I'm pretty sure that it was still him who died on the cross, I don't recall any AC sources claiming otherwise.

      3- There are no sources stating that the Ahnk was ever in possession of Jesus or his disciples. As for the Ankh's abilities, it was stated to have ressurected Osiris for only a single night, suggesting that it couldn't ressurect anyone for longer than that.

      Exactly on point Wikia Editor. The only thing is that I was under the impression that the Exodus might actually be the ending not the prologue since the details seem to emphasize that the main protagonist is a slave whose mission is to liberate the slaves in Egypt... If it was the ending though, that would essentially mean that the Exodus takes a central role in the game's story which would be disappointing. We wouldn't want the game to be just a retelling of the Exodus in the AC world...

      I'm concerned about them timing the Exodus correctly too. The most likely candidate in real-life would be Thutmose II since he had a short reign, and his mummy bears signs of having been ravaged by disease, including cysts, which might be linked to the Plagues of Egypt. He was succeeded by Hatshepsut by the way. Another candidate would be any pharaoh just after Ramses II, but not Ramses II himself, even though he's the most popular character for the Pharaoh of the Exodus in media, it doesn't make sense since he was one of the greatest pharoahs and led successful campaigns in Canaan. Also, Sigmund Freud theorized that Moses was actually an Atenist priest during the reign of Akhenaten. Akhenaten's disastrous attempt to change the Egyptian religion to monotheism and the turmoil that happened is a ripe story for AC.

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    • In most AC games there are side missions dealing with characters/events that are even further back than the main ancestor like Brutus in Brotherhood or Captain Kidd in III. I feel the Exodus/Moses will fill this part of the new game, but maybe a little more integral. As the OP's question about Jesus Christ, I don't think Ubi will ever definitively say what happened to him in their universe, too controversial. But in response to point 3 maybe using the Ankh in conjunction with a Shroud (like Apple and Staff) can prolong the resurrection time, but yes as far as we've been told, Jesus has only been in possession of the Shroud.

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    • Lacrossedeamon wrote: In most AC games there are side missions dealing with characters/events that are even further back than the main ancestor like Brutus in Brotherhood or Captain Kidd in III. I feel the Exodus/Moses will fill this part of the new game, but maybe a little more integral. As the OP's question about Jesus Christ, I don't think Ubi will ever definitively say what happened to him in their universe, too controversial. But in response to point 3 maybe using the Ankh in conjunction with a Shroud (like Apple and Staff) can prolong the resurrection time, but yes as far as we've been told, Jesus has only been in possession of the Shroud.

      It would definitely be too controversial to deal directly with Jesus I think. It's not necessary anyways; it's enough to have hints about what happened to him in the AC universe, that he was crucified and died but that a Shroud of Eden was used to attempt to resurrect him or that he hadn't actually died yet at the time the Shroud of Eden was used on him, and hence he revived. Or perhaps, he really did only revive for one day or two.

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    • The Wikia Editor wrote:
      It was stated in ACIII that, if enough people believe in the illusions created by a Piece of Eden, those illusions would become real. So presumably, when Moses created an illusion of  the Plagues of Egypt or the Red Sea parting, the collective belief of the Israelites made it real.

      I doubt we'll actually be playing through the events of the Exodus. At best, it would be a prologue, with the main story taking place sometime after.

      Yes, I remember that. But for know the only capable object with the power of interfere the physics of the world and create stuff from nothingness is the Apple of Eden. In AC2, the papal staff had the power to knock out any human being almost instantly and make the user invisible. If use in conjuction with an Apple, it had the ability to levitate objects and make illusions. While this proves some kind of dependency in the Staff, also contradicts what was shown in the comic The Fall: where the Scepter of the Tzar was capable of create illusions on its own, also it was smaller. Maybe the Isu made an update to their staves after the Papal One was created.

      It's clear that Moses' staff was capable of create illusions on its own, so yeah, you are right. I thought that only the Apple was capable of do such a thing. But maybe the staff can too.

      The Wikia Editor wrote:
      As for Jesus:

      1- His corpse was stolen by his disciples, who tried (unsuccessfully) to ressurect him with the Shroud.

      2- I'm pretty sure that it was still him who died on the cross, I don't recall any AC sources claiming otherwise.

      3- There are no sources stating that the Ahnk was ever in possession of Jesus or his disciples. As for the Ankh's abilities, it was stated to have ressurected Osiris for only a single night, suggesting that it couldn't ressurect anyone for longer than that.

      Of course these are only suppositions rather than conclusions as I said before, sorry about that.

      --- WARNING: SPOILERS FROM AC:HERESY, SKIP THIS PART IF YOU HAVEN'T READ IT ---

      1- Yes, this is the one that would fit more in the AC universe. The only problem is that, as Lacrossedeamon says, it'd be too controversial and... not everybody understands it's a game.

      2- Yes, I think that too. But since I read AC Heresy, I started to doubt of almost anything... we all thought that Joan of Arc was burned alive, but Christie Golden came and with her Disney touch saved dear Joan... giving her the chance to live with peace and love... F*#%/!NG NONSENSE!... Nevermind that. But perhaps, if Jesus was so loved by his disciples, Maria, her mother and others, perhaps a good soul saved him and died in the cross. But I don't think so.

      3- As before, Joan's story is related with two POEs: the sword and the heart. We didn't know about the second one. Maybe with Jesus it's the same, because if supposition N°1 is too controversial, then Jesus was indeed resurrected (but only for 40 days). And the only POE capable of doing that... it's the Anhk. Maybe some kind of box was in the scene too hahaha.

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      Sol Pacificus wrote:
      It would definitely be too controversial to deal directly with Jesus I think.

      I think that would be funny. Moses is also important for Judaism and even Islam. So if nobody says anything about him. Why would they cry for Jesus? I know, I know. It's a retorical question. I just found that... funny.

      Thank you guys for your points of view.

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    • Cristophorus35 wrote:

      Sol Pacificus wrote:
      It would definitely be too controversial to deal directly with Jesus I think.

      I think that would be funny. Moses is also important for Judaism and even Islam. So if nobody says anything about him. Why would they cry for Jesus? I know, I know. It's a retorical question. I just found that... funny.

      Thank you guys for your points of view.

      Well because Jesus Christ holds a much more exalted position in Christianity and even Islam than Moses. He is deified in Christianity, seen as a manifestation of God himself, something that has not happened with Moses. However, I think Christians nowadays are less sensitive about such matters.

      Also... spoilers about Heresy lol... I haven't read the novel yet. >_<

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    • Sol Pacificus wrote:

      Well because Jesus Christ holds a much more exalted position in Christianity and even Islam than Moses. He is deified in Christianity, seen as a manifestation of God himself, something that has not happened with Moses. However, I think Christians nowadays are less sensitive about such matters.

      Also... spoilers about Heresy lol... I haven't read the novel yet. >_<

      I SAID IT WAS A RHETORICAL QUESTION!!! Hehehe.

      Spoilers? Am I the only one that read i --- I mean... HOLY COW D:! I'll mark it right now. Thanks. I completely forgot that.

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    • Cristophorus35 wrote: I SAID IT WAS A RHETORICAL QUESTION!!! Hehehe.

      Spoilers? Am I the only one that read i --- I mean... HOLY COW D:! I'll mark it right now. Thanks. I completely forgot that.

      Too late... too late... the damage is done x_x.

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