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    • Rumours say that it's in Egypt.

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    • Rumors purport that the game will take place in Ancient Egypt, but in what dynasty, is so far unclear. However, according to one video released, by The Creed on YouTube. The Pharoah of Egypt in the game might be King Unas, since there is mention of a historical figure named Khenut, who was the wife of King Unas, the Pharoah of Egypt during the 2300s to 2400s B.C. (Yes, I know some people like to use B.C.E to denote Before Common Era, but I'm religious so I'm sticking to the original format.)

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    • SupremeAssassin wrote: Rumors purport that the game will take place in Ancient Egypt, but in what dynasty, is so far unclear. However, according to one video released, by The Creed on YouTube. The Pharoah of Egypt in the game might be King Unas, since there is mention of a historical figure named Khenut, who was the wife of King Unas, the Pharoah of Egypt during the 2300s to 2400s B.C. (Yes, I know some people like to use B.C.E to denote Before Common Era, but I'm religious so I'm sticking to the original format.)

      The latest news provided by the link that Erron White here has given states that the game is actually set sometime between 1400 BCE to 1200 BCE in the New Kingdom. The speculation about the game being set in the 5th dynasty in the reign of King Unas stems from the name Khenut being shown in the leaked screenshot. However, as this Khenut is not said to be a queen, she could entirely be a different Khenut.

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    • Sol Pacificus wrote:

      The latest news provided by the link that Erron White here has given states that the game is actually set sometime between 1400 BCE to 1200 BCE in the New Kingdom.

      Wait wait wait! You mean... we're gonna actually see MOSES AND HIS STAFF OR SOMETHING RELATED TO THAT!? (yeah, I'm hyped).

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    • Sol Pacificus wrote:

      However, as this Khenut is not said to be a queen, she could entirely be a different Khenut.

      I wouldn't bet on that, I have a feeling it's meant to be Queen Khenut of Egypt. Which means the game is obviously set sometime between 2400 BCE to 2300 BCE. 


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    • But they already said it's set sometime between 1400 BCE to 1200 BCE, and we have practically no material on the 5th dynasty, and the 5th dynasty can't possibly be around the time of the Exodus.

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    • Sol, a date is not given for Exodus either, so I feel it's a toss up between 1400 BCE to 1200 BCE and 2400 BCE to 2300 BCE. We know for sure that Matthew is 1st century AD, but have no real clues hinting at what year Exodus was. I want to say it's between 1000 BCE to 2000 BCE though. 

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    • Still, the leaked details say that the game is set in the range of 1400 BCE to 1200 BCE.

      2400 – 2300 BCE is just too far off in time to be a reasonable estimate for the Exodus, even predating the traditional Biblical dating of Abraham. The Kingdom of Israel under Saul is known to date to 1050 BCE. The Bible places the Exodus as 480 years before the 4th year of Solomon's reign, which itself is around 967 BCE. The geopolitical situation of the world during the 5th dynasty of Egypt does not fit with the geopolitical situation around the time of the Hebrew conquest of Canaan, and besides, as I noted in another thread, it makes little sense to set it there since nothing of interest or import occurred in Egypt at that time. We have barely any material on it at all, and Egypt had yet to really interact with other civilizations.

      Finally, it makes more sense for the Exodus to have occurred after the Second Intermediate Period of Egypt where the Canaanites, called Hyksos, conquered Egypt and then were finally overthrown and expelled.

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    • You know your history very well, I respect that. 

      Yes, I do agree that it's an unusual time period to set the Exodus in, much less the events of AC Origins. Keep in mind too that the events of Exodus spanned decades, if not hundreds of years by the time Moses had been born, and wherein also, Moses in his 60s I believe, was commissioned by God to to save the Israelites (Hebrews) out of slavery since God had remembered his promises to Abraham. The Israelites then spent 4 decades wandering through the wilderness before they even settled on Mount Sinai where Moses under direction by God, wrote the Ten Commandments. Anyway, it'll be interesting to see how Ubisoft depicts the events, hopefully they are historically accurate. 

      Do you think there will be any big cities such as Thebes? I miss the format of travelling from multiple cities, Ubisoft appeared to ditch it after Rogue. Though Unity did have it to some capacity, with Paris, Versailles, and Saint Dennis being three separate maps. Paris was of course the biggest. 

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    • I've said on another post but most games have the historical protagonist dealing with artifacts from an even more ancient person or persons and sometimes learning a little of their story. Ezio with Altair and the other Assassin Tombs, Brutus, Ishak Pasha/Vlad Tepes/Mehmet; Connor with Captain Kidd and John de la Tour; Edward with Thomas Kavanagh and the legendary pirate captains, Morgan and Drake; Shay with the Viking, Sir James Gunn, and the Native American creation myth; Arno with Nostradamus and Thomas de Carnellion plus the Abbot of Suger; Jacob and Evie with the Aegis. I believe Moses and the Exodus will take this role in the game with our new protagonist discovery the truth behind the event and possibly following in Moses footsteps in some way.

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    • SupremeAssassin wrote:

      Yes, I do agree that it's an unusual time period to set the Exodus in, much less the events of AC Origins.

      Perhaps the principal missions are not set in Exodus. As the leaked rumors says, the search for this POE in the animus won't be the main focus of the story.

      Oh and I don't know if this is helpful but according to the Jewish Myth, Moses was born in 1393 BCE and died in 1273 BCE. Let's remember that Moses is not only an important religious figure for cristianity, but also for judaism and islam. Maybe these two have more information than the bible.

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    • Well the Bible contains important historical events outside of its intended purpose, and the Old Testament was indeed that of Judaism. Islam is relatively young and thus not really relevant to the Exodus, or to Moses himself. 

      I think a lot of people, myself included, have the understanding that AC Origins will contain Biblical history in some shape or form. 

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    • Well, other supposed "leaks". Breaks up a little bit about what's been seen before, not everything. We will wait until tomorrow if there is a trailer...

      http://www.gamepur.com/news/26683-assassins-creed-origins-trailer-may-19-campaign-takes-place-100200-ad-roman.html

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    • SupremeAssassin wrote:
      Well the Bible contains important historical events outside of its intended purpose, and the Old Testament was indeed that of Judaism. Islam is relatively young and thus not really relevant to the Exodus, or to Moses himself.

      Yeah, Islam is kinda a teenager compared with Grandpa Judaism and Young-Adult-Cristianity. But what I wanted to say is that these other religions have more documents describing ceremonies, dates and different points of view. Perhaps there's more there than the Bible describes. Do you catch my meaning? Hehe.

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      Success! Hehe.

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    • Cristophorus35 wrote:

      SupremeAssassin wrote:

      Yes, I do agree that it's an unusual time period to set the Exodus in, much less the events of AC Origins.

      Perhaps the principal missions are not set in Exodus. As the leaked rumors says, the search for this POE in the animus won't be the main focus of the story.

      Oh and I don't know if this is helpful but according to the Jewish Myth, Moses was born in 1393 BCE and died in 1273 BCE. Let's remember that Moses is not only an important religious figure for cristianity, but also for judaism and islam. Maybe these two have more information than the bible.

      I wish we could know how they arrived at those dates though. The Bible states that the Hebrews left Egypt 480 years before the fourth year of King Solomon's reign. (1 Kings 6:1) Archaeologists and historians date Solomon's reign from c. 970 – 931 BCE. So 480 + 967 (counting 970 as the first year), we arrive at the year c. 1447 BCE as the year for the start of the Exodus.

      However, I think using Biblical dates is bound to be erroneous anyways no offense to those who profess to an Abrahamic faith. Religious and ancient texts tend to base specific numbers off of their significance. For example, 480 here would be 12 x 40 years. 12 for the Twelve Tribes of Israel, and I don't know why 40, but the Exodus does tend to emphasize 40 a lot, such as the Israelites having to wander the desert for 40 years as punishment for their hesitation in entering Canaan. As well, prophets, mythological kings, and the like are almost invariably given implausibly long lifespans in the mythology of every culture. We see this in Chinese records of their ancient tribal leaders, in Buddhist mythology, and in the Sumerian King List of kings that reigned before the Great Flood as well. I do doubt that Moses actually lived to be 120 years old. However since this is Assassin's Creed, it can always be said that the Piece of Eden extended his life.

      I have not read enough of the Qur'an to know what it says about Moses, though it appears that he is one of the most mentioned prophets in it. The Qur'an tends to reaffirm narratives of the Bible with some notable differences (such as Eve and Adam being created simultaneously and separately rather than Eve being created from Adam's rib after him).

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    • 90.69.211.81 wrote: Well, other supposed "leaks". Breaks up a little bit about what's been seen before, not everything. We will wait until tomorrow if there is a trailer...

      http://www.gamepur.com/news/26683-assassins-creed-origins-trailer-may-19-campaign-takes-place-100200-ad-roman.html

      Now it says that it will be set in Roman Egypt rather than the New Kingdom from the other leak, what! I would much rather have the New Kingdom, the height of Egyptian history, than Roman Egypt. :/ If it's Roman Egypt, then I would much prefer to play Amunet and start off with her assassination of Cleopatra... for a sense of continuity. Actually not sure how I feel about Charlotte as the modern-day main protagonist. For some reason, I was only a little partial to her from the comics, and something about her personality didn't really resonate with me. (Oh I think it was her job interview at the beginning lol; first impressions are lasting impressions I guess xD).

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    • Sol Pacificus wrote:

      Actually not sure how I feel about Charlotte as the modern-day main protagonist. For some reason, I was only a little partial to her from the comics, and something about her personality didn't really resonate with me. (Oh I think it was her job interview at the beginning lol; first impressions are lasting impressions I guess xD).

      Amen, Sol Pacificus, Amen.

      And about Moses, perhaps there're more sources of information that Ubi could use to create the story with logical and relevant dates.

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