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  • The reason why I added him to the list of Assassin Turncoats is because technically, he did betray the Brotherhood. Let me explain in the tennents of the Creed:

    1. Stay your blade from the flesh of the innocent. Abbas had Sef, Altaïr's youngest son, murdered for greed and Sef did nothing to deserve it. Also he had Malik murdered as well. Both of which were innocent. Therefore, Abbas broke the first tenent of the Creed.

    2. Hide in plain sight. Altaïr had all banners removed from Masyaf castle but Abbas had them restored, pretty much the same thing as shouting, "HEY WE'RE HERE, TEMPLARS!! COME AND GET US!!!" Need I say more?

    And finally, the SERIOUSLY deadly one:

    3. Never compromise the Brotherhood. After Abbas successfully turned everyone in the brotherhood against Altaïr upon his return, he allowed rogue bandits into the brotherhood, not even bothering with all the rules of the Assassins. For those of you who haven't read the novilization of Revelations, it states on page 311 after Altaïr returned from his 10 year exile and overheard two of Abbas's captains talking and I quote "Altaïr had taken his time to assess the situation. He knew that Cemal and Teragani were somewhere in the shadows behind him. The two officers seemed to be all that stood between him and the innner bailey, and their speech had proved them to be sworn to Abbas's doctrines--doctrines that had far more to do with Templar thinking than that of true Assassins." 

    So those are my reasons for adding Abbas to the list of Assassin Turncoats, like Al Mualim before him and countless others after him. Want proof? Go read the book I quoted or play the game Revelations. Agree or disagree? Leave your thoughts and I'll get to 'em.

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    • The term "turncoat" specifically refers to someone who switches allegiance from one side to the opposing side.

      While Abbas was certainly corrupt and broke the tenets of the Creed, he never actually abandoned the Brotherhood and he never collaborated with the Templars. Al Mualim himself barely even qualifies, as he only worked with the Templars briefly and ended up betraying both groups.

      I think it's better to refine our use of the term turncoat in order to better apply it, because Jack the Ripper is currently listed as one even though he never came even remotely close to being a Templar, rather adopting a more extreme and fanatical interpretation of the Creed.

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    • The Wikia Editor wrote:
      The term "turncoat" specifically refers to someone who switches allegiance from one side to the opposing side.

      While Abbas was certainly corrupt and broke the tenets of the Creed, he never actually abandoned the Brotherhood and he never collaborated with the Templars. Al Mualim himself barely even qualifies, as he only worked with the Templars briefly and ended up betraying both groups.

      I think it's better to refine our use of the term turncoat in order to better apply it, because Jack the Ripper is currently listed as one even though he never came even remotely close to being a Templar, rather adopting a more extreme and fanatical interpretation of the Creed.

      Ok. But there's one more reason I forgot to add. When Altaïr broke the creed the Templars followed him. Need I say more?

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    • Heir of Revan wrote:
      The Wikia Editor wrote:
      The term "turncoat" specifically refers to someone who switches allegiance from one side to the opposing side.

      While Abbas was certainly corrupt and broke the tenets of the Creed, he never actually abandoned the Brotherhood and he never collaborated with the Templars. Al Mualim himself barely even qualifies, as he only worked with the Templars briefly and ended up betraying both groups.

      I think it's better to refine our use of the term turncoat in order to better apply it, because Jack the Ripper is currently listed as one even though he never came even remotely close to being a Templar, rather adopting a more extreme and fanatical interpretation of the Creed.

      Ok. But there's one more reason I forgot to add. When Altaïr broke the creed the Templars followed him. Need I say more?

      What exactly do you mean by "followed him"? If you mean that in the sense that they attacked Masyaf after Altaïr's failed mission, that doesn't really have any relevance to this discussion, except that it illustrates that breaking the Creed does not make one a turncoat, as Altaïr wasn't working together with them.

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    • The Wikia Editor wrote:
      Heir of Revan wrote:
      The Wikia Editor wrote:
      The term "turncoat" specifically refers to someone who switches allegiance from one side to the opposing side.

      While Abbas was certainly corrupt and broke the tenets of the Creed, he never actually abandoned the Brotherhood and he never collaborated with the Templars. Al Mualim himself barely even qualifies, as he only worked with the Templars briefly and ended up betraying both groups.

      I think it's better to refine our use of the term turncoat in order to better apply it, because Jack the Ripper is currently listed as one even though he never came even remotely close to being a Templar, rather adopting a more extreme and fanatical interpretation of the Creed.

      Ok. But there's one more reason I forgot to add. When Altaïr broke the creed the Templars followed him. Need I say more?
      What exactly do you mean by "followed him"? If you mean that in the sense that they attacked Masyaf after Altaïr's failed mission, that doesn't really have any relevance to this discussion, except that it illustrates that breaking the Creed does not make one a turncoat, as Altaïr wasn't working together with them.

      Right 

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    • Indirect action or negligence doesn't make a traitor, though it does make one incompentent or corrupt. I'd agree Abbas was, sadly, not a turncoat. (It'd sure be nice if we could disown him that way, though... haha)

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