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  • John standish easter egg
    So I found this on the Access the Animus page, apparantly it was a screenshot of Phoenix Project video from ACU. The barcode translates to this >>>>>

    which means "Who is the Father of Understanding"

    THIS CHANGED MY WHOLE PERSPECTIVE OF THE UPCOMING INSTALLMENTS OF THE FRANCHISE.

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    • Why? Not to ruin your excitement, but I don't really see the significance in this easter egg. It doesn't reveal anything interesting, as far as I know :s It's impressive ATA found it, but aside from that...

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    • well it could reveal more of the first civilization mystery and maybe more of the Templar backstory (bec im really interested in backstories)

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    • Exploring who the Father of Understanding is? That does actually sound interesting. Hopefully this bodes well for the future. (As long as it does not get dragged out like the Sage storyline.)

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    • If Ubisoft uses this information right, it could make a huge positive turn for the storyline.

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    • It's always bugged me that I didn't know who the the Father of Understanding is. I've always searched through a long list of Greek and Roman Pantheons to see which is the most likely as he's most likely a member of the FC. Can't wait until more is revealed.

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    • I thought the Father of U was just a figure of speech or an expression. but an actual being? woah. this is good Ubisoft. definitely good. I have a feeling he's related to the first civ.

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    • Wait, when we talk about The Father of U. Are we talking about the creator of the Templar order? Because in that case, we already know who she is. 

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    • What? No.

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    • I was under the impression that the FoU was a concept. Hopefully they'll actually try to explore this because it sounds more interesting.

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    • I wasn't the first one to think it's a member of the First Civ, many have thought it. Didn't you even speculate Sima?

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    • wait. "she"? did i miss anything?

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    • Not to my knowledge. I'm not sure where this "she" is coming from either - maybe Juno? Though I doubt she has anything to do with the creation of the Templar order.

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    • Yes, Juno. In the Manifesto of the instruments of the First Will , Its heavily suggested that she is the original creator of The Templar Orden. The mission that Juno gave to the Templars was to domain the Human Race until her return, and now, the Templars are kinda ruling the world, but not as she wanted, she wanted a total slavery, no Free Will, because the Humans, sons of their labors, where suposed to be slaves, and thats who Juno wants it to be.

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    • You'll find the Manifesto here

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    • I would be very disappointed if the Father of Understanding is Juno. I would even think Consus would be a better choice than her.

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    • "Our purpose is not ours to achieve but ours to be RECEIVED given by Her Graces and Instruction. Death to the false fabricators of pleasure and indolence! The OLD ORDER must be restored the NEW ORDER destroyed. TRUE TEMPLARS dedicated to ORDER AND STABILITY AND PEACE through the application of Her Iron Will and not through the dulling satisfactions of pleasure and indolence..."

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    • Well, it depends of either the FoU is the Creator of the Templar Order, or another thing

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    • I wonder where the Baphomet thing came from then...

      I presume the "Old Order" would go way back - I don't think the Templars we've seen in the series so far conciously invoke Juno when saying "May the Father of Understanding guide us"; maybe the phrase is just a remnant from the old days, its original meaning lost. So would Templars then have originated following the Toba Catastrophe as a faction among humans that wanted to submit to Juno once again? And somehow the Templars forgot about Juno - maybe because Minerva and Jupiter imprisoned her - devolving into an order that still desired order and stability and peace, but had no knowledge of Juno and would thus attempt to exercise it themselves.

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    • Thats exactly what i think it happened. I think Juno contacted Cain (First Templar) and inducted him into creating the Templar Order, and that he was the only one who knew that Juno was the true Creator of the Orden, and maybe Cain died in the Toba Catastrophe and never told the other members of the Order about Juno. (At least one of the other members survived)

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    • The question then is, why would she be referred to as "The Father of Understanding", when she's clearly female? Maybe the phrase only came into being sometime after the Templars had forgotten Juno, having only some vague concept of the all-knowing leader that would rule mankind.

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    • I hope the Father of Understanding is a male or then it would just seem kind of sloppy in terms of storytelling. Assassins and Templars are both Hummanistic factions. I think what Juno is saying is that Templars are frauds and that she should be in control not them.

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    • I dont think so, Abelzorus, if you read the complete Manifesto, you'll see that is Juno is the creator 100%. Althought, maybe TFoU is another thing different. As we said, it may be what Crook just said or what Sima Yi said, that the FoU is not the Creator of the Order 

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    • I don't see it hermano. It's not a 100% that Juno is the creator of the Templar order her group is the Instruments of the First Will. They believe in the Old World Order, while Templars believe in the New World Order. In the Manifest all it does is insult Templars and calls them frauds.

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    • And what about "True Templars"? 

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    • She's just saying that the Templars are trying to acheive peace and stability but they can't because they are human, and only Juno can bring peace and stability and in a sense she's a "True Templar". Templars are still humanistic where as Juno hates humans and just sees humans as property.

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    • @Abelzorus That's also what Darby McDevitt said.

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    • Yeah I remember hearing it from Dev or something like that, and thank you Bov because now that gives my arguement more weight.

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    • I always assumed the "Father of Understanding" was just a flowery name for Cain or whomever actually founded the Order. Although it always struck me as odd that they would mention the Father of Understanding as "guiding" people, in a very superstitious almost religious way that doesn't really fit for a group that's knowledgable on the fact that there was no divine creation or the sort.

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    • Link?

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    • Actually, i've been checking out Darby's Twitter, and i found some of the things Darby is planning to do or reveal soon, such as: "What happened to the Apple N6º?" "What did Juno meant with The Hidden Twelve?" And some months ago, he said  about The Father Of Understanding identity: "I know (Who she/he is), but im not telling yet!" So surely we can expect to see more about TFoU

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    • Well, if he really is answering those questions, I'm pretty keen to hear the answers. Darby is a champion.

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    • Well if Juno WAS the FoU, wouldn't she be contacting Templars instead of Assassins (from Ac2 to Ac3 reference)?

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    • Juno being a male entity? Not sure that's an idea I want to entertain. For the record Abelzorus, I never speculated that the Father of Understanding is a member of the First Civilization. I always thought Father of Understanding was supposed to be Baphomet, which is somewhat supported in some side missions in Unity surrounding the Cult of Baphomet.

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    • I searched Baphomet in google and it creeped me out. THAT creepy thingy being the FoU, I'm off to nopeland

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    • That's the actual deity the Knights Templar were accused of worshipping in real history.

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    • Okay (takes off Templar robes) Im off to the Assassins. But sriously, did Juno really influenced Cain, the 1st Templar, to create the Order? 

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    • I think I'm pretty knowledgeable on these things and I don't recall that being said anywhere.

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    • Cain was hinted at being the Templar founder well before Juno and her husband hijacked the series.

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    • ok now im confused

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    • Huh, I thought it was established that Baphomet was the FoU, especially with the name "baphomet" being derived from an Arabic word that literally translates to the "father of understanding". That and the historical worship by the Knights Templar as well. I guess not?

      I doubt it would be Juno because she doesn't really have any affinity with the Templars and they'd be pretty foolish to think she would. 

      Cain would make sense but the Templars still reference the FoU as an ever-present entity in modern times which doesn't really add up considering Cain lived and died thousands of years ago.

      I'm a bit confused now as well. 

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    • But I always thought Baphomet was a member of the FC. Baphomet is also what the conspiracy group known as the illuminati are accused of worshipping, and Abstergo/Templars are nearly indentical to the "modern day illumnati".

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    • Arcemz, what's leading you to believe that Baphomet is not the Father of Understanding? What is confusing people?

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    • That's true, they do have a lot of similarities although the illuminati is often accused of being satanists with baphomet as the satanic entity they worship, which is nothing like AC because the Templars are atheists. That's why I didn't think the FoU would have been baphomet since he's associated with satan and the devil but in reality he's  a symbol of estorism and occultism which would fit well with the Templars in AC.

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    • A lot of Satanists are atheists!

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    • @Sima I'm still leaning towards him being the FoU but it isn't confirmed yet so I guess I'm just open to the possibility that it could still be something else. 

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    • Sorry I meant satanists as in the kind that do actually practice devil worship, not the LaVeyan kind of satanists. The Templars could certainly fit that role.

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    • I have a bit of a theory guys! That during the war between the FC and humans one of the FC sided with the humans and helped Adam and Eve get the Apple, this member was later known as "Lucifer" or "Prometheus". After the war was over and the FC were gradually dying out "Lucifer" passed on his knowledge to Cain and influenced him with his own ideology, which led Cain to kill able and be the founder of the Templars, and "Lucifer" was then known as The Father of Understanding among the Templars.

      Both Lucifer and Prometheus went against the main deity to give knowledge to humans, and so could originally be the same member of the FC but over time different cultures interpreted him differently. Both figures are seen as enlightners to humans so is fitting for the Father of "Understanding".

      The same way Hera was known for her jealous and vengeful nature against Zeus's lovers and offspring, but also against mortals who crossed her, which makes sense for the way Juno acts in the AC universe. Prometheus is best known as the deity in Greek mythology who was the creator of mankind and its greatest benefactor, who gifted mankind with fire stolen from Mount Olympus. It would make sense for Prometheus as a member of the First Civ who would be on the side of hummanity, and could possibly unite the Templars and Assassins against Juno.

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    • See, I wasn't up to date on my lore, didn't even know about Baphomet. Still find it weird that they refer to the Father of Understanding with religious connotations, even if he is part of the First Civilization, since the Templars know full well that they aren't actually gods or deities.

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    • @Misphantom  I explained that near the beggining of the post

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    • Well, it is still a mistery, so far we got Baphomet, Juno, Cain or other. I think we all agree that Juno is the creator of the Templar Order, so we need to find out what the Templars are refering to when they say "TFoU", The Creator of the order? An Spiritual guide? Other? :,v 

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    • No, we don't all agree. The only person who's implied to have created the order is Cain. And I don't believe the Father of Understanding is the creator of the Templar Order either.

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    • I don't agree that Juno is the creator of the Templar Order, and if she is I would be very disappointed of the writers.

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    • Since everybody is talking about TFoU, don't you guys think the early days of the Templars would be an interesting concept for a game? And I say 'early days' because I know many people don't want to go anywhere near TOWCB.

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    • Well, yeah, i would like to see how they where originally, and if they were as Juno, slavering all Mankind. And obvioulsy the mistery behind TFoU.

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    • You really do believe Juno is the founder of the the Templars 100%, dont you.

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    • That part of the Manifesto conviced me.

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    • I think that's been evident from DipsonDP's posts, Abelzorus Prime. No need to state the obvious.

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    • I thought he was messing around. I was just being sure because he 100% believes it even though it hasn't been confirmed officially.

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    • If Ubisoft did reveal the real father of Understanding, whether it is Baphomet, Juno, Cain or whoever the heck that is, why would they make this easter egg? What's the purpose of this bar code question?

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    • A teaser of what's to come.

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    • Ohkay. But for what? I definitely think they made this because it would be revealed in the next installments to come. I mean what's the purpose of having this kind of easter eggs if you won't answer it? Mysteries like these are killing me. I hope they will reveal it and not just annoy people by not telling it.

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    • Well, Darby teased that he already knows who "TFoU" is on Twitter, so we got 2 teases. Maybe the answer is closer than we think.

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    • Misphantom wrote:
      Ohkay. But for what? I definitely think they made this because it would be revealed in the next installments to come. I mean what's the purpose of having this kind of easter eggs if you won't answer it? Mysteries like these are killing me. I hope they will reveal it and not just annoy people by not telling it.

      You mean like the Eve subplot? That plot thread's been dangling there for a while :P But yes, hopefully they'll build on this FoU thing in future entries and not just leave it.

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    • yes actually. Leaving a cliff hanger like that is not funny. Lets hope that they'll (ubisoft and Ac franchise) survive long enough for them to reveal all the mysteries of the first civ so we could die happy and contented.

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    • Since Ubi for some reason don't want to use these ideas in their games, wouldn't it make sense for them just to transfer it all into another product? They could just make more comics or novels.

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    • I think it's obvioust they wil develope the Eve subplot in Syndicate. Lets look at the evidence, the Eve subplot was in AC Liberation and Dead Kings. The Lead writer of Dead Kings is also the Lead writer of Syndicate and one of the main protagonists are called Evie. If the Eve subplot is not developed in Syndicate I'll shout out Bloody Nora.

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    • And since the Modern Day action is returning, we are probably going to control Galina Voronina, who is also heavely suggested to be Eve's descendant. 

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    • Modern day action is not returning, unfortunately. Not for a bit. Also Galina has not been implied to be a descendant of Eve at all, I don't think.

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    • But many fans such as myself have speculated that Galina is. I really want a Jewish Assassin.

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    • Yeah, at most they've said it will return in a similar capacity as in Unity.There might still be action in that, but I kind of doubt we'll be controlling that action. By the way, the only known connection Galina has to Eve is that her mother believed she had a vision of Eve while in the Animus; however, it's more likely that either a) her mother was hallucinating, as she had gone pretty mad or b) it was Juno, not Eve. 

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    • Abelzorus Prime wrote:
      But many fans such as myself have speculated that Galina is.

      Speculation is speculation, no matter how many fans believe she is Eve's descendant. A lot of fans believe Desmond isn't dead, but it doesn't make him any less dead than he is (barring his possible existence within the Grey). 

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    • They said "Modern Day is back", so that means that Unity doesnt count like Modern Day, and that we'll love it, and trust me, not everyone loved Rogue's and BF's Modern Day, so trust me, it is not just a cinematic ;). And about Galina, there are a lot of proofs. Why did Juno (Indirectly) kill Galina's mother? Why Galina just didnt go crazy like the rest and gain the abilities her ancestors had (Just like Desmond, Adam descendant)? 

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    • They did not say Modern Day is back, they said it'd be the same as Unity. Also what you said is not at all proof of anything. At all. It's still mostly baseless speculation.

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    • I know it's speculation but since it has not been confirmed or not it's still open to being a possibility. Where as Desmond has pretty much been confirmed dead.

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    • Modern day has never been gone. It's been in every game since AC1. The term "modern day" doesn't mean "playing as an actual character". Of course they'll say we'll love it – they won't garner anyone's interest if they outright said we'd get the same format as Unity.

      Juno tried to take possession of Galina's mother's body, she didn't try to kill her (not sure how this points to Galina being Eve's descendant anyway). If being a descendant of Eve or Adam means you don't go crazy from the Bleeding Effect then why did Clay Kaczmarek and Galina's mother and sister go crazy from the Bleeding Effect? Evidently Galina didn't face the same amount of exposure to the Animus as the others. This isn't any proof, I'm afraid.

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    • I could answer all that, but since it would still be just a theory, and because it would take a lot of time, i prefer to wait and see, but im very confident on what i said.  

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    • And yeah "Its back "

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    • They haven't said "you will get to play as an actual character again" or anything of the like, so there's no time and place I'll ever see this as 'evidence'. I'll believe it when I see it. A video of the always-wrong-and-never-right ACConspiracies channel doesn't make it any more true. ;)

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    • I'm pretty sure during the reveal stream they said they would do what Unity did with regards to modern day, or some such. So yeah.

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    • Master, look at the interview part .-. Cote said it, no ACC

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    • He only said "it's back" (obviously) and that "we'll love it" (of course). Nothing to indicate that we'll play as an actual character. I'd appreciate it if we could stay on-topic though.

      I'm surprised nobody has discussed this reference's more obvious connection to the Sages, with this barcode being on a vial of John Standish's blood and Jacques de Molay having written the Codex Pater Intellectus.

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    • I honestly kinda dislike the whole Sage plotline, so I hadn't even considered it.

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    • So is the new comic entirely modern day? Maybe this will answer some questions we've had for a while?

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    • As you can read on the comic's page, the historical part of it is set during the Salem witch trials.

      Seems to me like the nature of the Father of Understanding is linked to the Sages. Seems like Jacques de Molay had the wisdom of the Father of Understanding, or maybe he even fashioned himself as such.

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    • Apparently it will be have two sides like most Assassin's Creed media, a modern espionage thing and something during the Salem witch trials.

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    • Interesting that they're showing the modern day on the cover.

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    • Interesting and hyping (Does that word even exist?)

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    • Not as an adjective :P 

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    • What if the Modern Day part of the Comic is conected to the Modern Day of Syndicate, just like Brahman?

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    • So Aita could be The Father of Understanding.

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    • The incarnations of Aita that we've seen don't seem very understanding. :P

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    • They just revealed this:

      In Syndicate, the players will have to find a Piece of Eden and go through that mystery of discovering those historical mysterious elements of the Assassin's Creed franchise.

      - A new character, not yet announced, will take the place of the "tools guy" like Leonardo Da Vinci in the previous games. Like with Darwin and Dickens, the player will receive missions from him and will get to spend some time with him.

      - There will be moments in which both Evie and Jacob will be on screen fighting together.

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    • I'd appreciate not having to keep on polluting threads with messages asking to stay on-topic. I know the forums are still new but please.

      I don't know about Aita himself being the Father of Understanding, we haven't seen any prior relation between him and the Templars and I don't see why the Templars would worship him considering their knowledge of the First Civilization was also fairly limited. I do hope that the question "Who is the Father of Understanding?" does see some resolution though, and will not remain an unresolved tease.

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    • having players finding another piece of eden for ACS, do you think it would actually be related to new First Civ entities or actually the Father of Understanding?

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    • I don't think it's an actual person, more like a personification of how the Templars claim to understand how the world truly is.

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    • @Bov, That's what I used to think it was while playing AC2.

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    • This may help you understand more of this so called Father of Understanding.This name appears even from the earliest ac games.In AC 2 in a letter Ezio acquired from the last member of the Pazzi conspiracy,one member of the templars told to Maestro(Rodrigo Borgia):<<May the FoU guide you brother>>.Back then many teplars would think that the maestros could communicate with thiw FoU.For the time being i also believe it is a personification.Apart from that i can assure (due to my origin)that this FoU is not a God belonging to the Roman or the Greek Pantheon as many gamers thought in the first place

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    • The Father Of Understanding appeared in all Assassin's creeds. PS:AC 2 took place in the 1600s, Not that far behind Syndicate's London. The Father of Understanding was likely their God, As the templar's do have a religion of sorts. I personally believe it was one of the Sages. 

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    • AC2 was set in the 15th century. Also the Templars are atheists, so I don't think the FoU is a god.

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    • For me the Father of Understanding is Aita, Jacques de Molay wrote the codex Pater intellectus, when Germain spoke to Arno during his death, he said the father of understanding wants their meeting to happen. Juno describe him as  the brightest minds of the 1st Civ. The Sage ideology to control  the world is very similar to the Templars. Maybe the Templars think him as a representation, but they are many clues that point the Sage and the FoU are one.

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    • Hello, I'm a new guy :3

      As far as I know, and you do too, the FoU sentence before Unity is part of the Templar philosophy. It indicates that Templars are guided by reason, understanding and wisdom. No matter what happens, they should not fall into instincts or fear. They are dedicated like the Assassins.

      BUT in Unity, Germain speaks about it as "him". Like a great being (not necessary a god or an angel or a demon or stuff like that). Maybe Aita is thie FoU... or someone that has something to do with Sages. Perhaps Cain was one (?) Yeah, that's crazy at least for me.

      Oh... and one final detail, that I suppose you already know. Germain was a sage that show no love or devotion for Juno like the others... Perhaps this FoU was something or someone that opposed Juno in the past... (?)

      Sorry for my bad english

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    • Well, my Theory is that the FoU is Juno. She wanted (and wants) to enslave Humanity and rule with an Iron Will, so she appointed, when she was captured in The Eye, a group of followers, possibly Cain, to continue her work until she could find a way to return. Throughout the years, the Templars twisted their believes and forgot Juno. Then (as according to Juno) the Templars turned "soft" (See the differences between the Templars from the Crusades and the modern ones), so she created a new group of followers, the Instruments of the First Will.  

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    • Oh, hey.

      Well, from my point of view, I have to disagree with your theory.

      DipsonDP wrote:
      Well, my Theory is that the FoU is Juno. She wanted (and wants) to enslave Humanity and rule with an Iron Will, so she appointed, when she was captured in The Eye, a group of followers, possibly Cain, to continue her work until she could find a way to return.

      First, every Templar mention the FoU as a Him instead of Her. Imagine that, if Juno is actually hermaphrodite, thinking about it... it's kinda... crazy for me. But that's a detail.

      Throughout the years, the Templars twisted their believes and forgot Juno.

      Second, someone asked Darby about it in Twitter and he wrote that Templars appeared after Juno's imprisonment and The Instruments of the First Will is totally different and has no connection with the cross. (That answer is right here)

      Then (as according to Juno) the Templars turned "soft" (See the differences between the Templars from the Crusades and the modern ones), so she created a new group of followers, the Instruments of the First Will.  

      And third, I believe the modern day Templars are totally b*st*rds compared to the old ones. Just think about it, Grand Masters like Haytham and Starrick (even Germain) wanted to transform humanity by destroying the old system and creating a new one and Abstergo... is not doing a great work for the rise of civilization. But that's a story for another post.

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    • 1) Could be a remark of how the Templars started twisting the details (And a misleading tip), the same could have happened to Desmond if he had chosen not to touch the Eye (AC3)

      2) Yeah, that's me. His explanations aren't enough in my opinion. Juno could go to "The Nexus " while imprisioned in the Eye (Directly speaking to Connor). Crystal Balls, and, reportedly, Apples of Eden, can communicate with the Nexus, as Cain could have.

      3) Yeah, im going even further into the past, i meant like De Sablé and the Templars before the demise of the official Templar Order. Now that i think of it, that Purge could explain why the Templars didn't know about Juno.   

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    • Oh, that was you? Haha, coincidence.

      1) Yeah, but that's a poor choice. It like thinking that Jesus was female. It seems like genre is the only think that prevails through history among other things.

      2) Well, that's rude having in mind that he's responsable of the history of AC among with others. Even if it doesn't completely satisfied your point of view of "how could it be better" his words are final. Unless he changes it later.

      3) No comments about that.

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    • 1) 2016 years, i'm talking about the 77.000 in which Humans barely had the intelligence to think.

      2) Or, he could be misleading, like Jeffrey Yohalem did. Darby is not the serious type of person. I once asked him about why Abstergo looked for another Apple to use at the Eye-Abstergo project when they actually had 3 more of them. He answered: "Ezio's apple was a red delicious. The others were a granny smith, a braeburn, a honey crisp, and a fuji, in that order.".nswHe is maybe implying that Ezio's Apple has more power (It should have been explained in AC2), or maybe he is just joking, or maybe he doesn't has a clue. 

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    • 1) Too convenient if you ask me. Besides, the same applies to Adam and Eve. 77.000 years aprox had passed and until this day, in the AC universe, we know that they existed and were male and female respectively.

      2) Yeah, lying because he did not wanted to spoil anything. Nonsense Yohalem. But actually what Darby wrote has sense. When I played Revelations and I saw the ending, I read the subtitles when Jupiter explained all the stuff to Desmond. "Six we tried in succession, each more encouraging than the last. But never worked. And then, the world ended" I thought... Six solutions and I inmediately associated it with the six Apples of Eden. Maybe the Isu built one Apple per solution with different capacities. And... that would explain why AoE number 1 is too small. And that would explain how Washington could not enslave all Americans with his Apple (Even if it was a dream world, kinda). And Al-Mualim could. The game itself give some clues showing that one Apple has not the same features compared to others.

      Don't say that he hasn't any idea (I think that too but...) because, I don't want to imagine what this game could turn to... haha

      EDIT: Actually, that's not true. Now that I think about it... In the "Truth" video of ACII, we can see Adam and Eve fleeing from something or someone while they carry an Apple. There's other one being used by... Minerva I guess. So, before the Human-Isu war, there was already two Apples and perhaps more. Maybe Ezio's apple was built during the war. I don't know,

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    • The Father of Understanding could be an Isuan being who wished to restore the old order, he must've been locked away or something.

      Cain killed his brother and stole the Apple to found the Templar Order in service to this Isuan tyrant and to restore the Old Order

      Over time the Tempalrs abandoned their Isuan foudner and decided to create a new world order, a much more humane version of the old order where people would live in harmony and be united and they themselves rule it. 

      But now Juno is kicking around and has founded a new religious organization to re-establish the Old World Order.

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    • I have my own theories on this as well, and if I recall, the precise statement was: "May the Father of Understanding guide us." Translated exactly in that manner as well. 

      It is my understanding that this refers to God, as the Templars appear to be religious individuals and if you consider that the Knights Templar were Christians then this stands to make even more sense. I don't think the Father of Understanding is a concept, but more an admission, or some sort of prayerful remark. The Templars during Rodrigo's time as Grand Master were also Catholics, or were implied to be Catholic, I mean, Jacopo was a pope, was he not? Rodrigo still believed in God, just not in the traditional manner of the Catholic Church at the time, and Ezio was raised a Catholic as well. Many Templar sympathizers, and Templar adherents were religious, so it stands to reason that the Father of Understanding refers to God. Strangely enough, I don't recall if this appears in other games as well, or merely just AC2. 

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    • SupremeAssassin wrote:
      I have my own theories on this as well, and if I recall, the precise statement was: "May the Father of Understanding guide us." Translated exactly in that manner as well. 

      It is my understanding that this refers to God, as the Templars appear to be religious individuals and if you consider that the Knights Templar were Christians then this stands to make even more sense. I don't think the Father of Understanding is a concept, but more an admission, or some sort of prayerful remark. The Templars during Rodrigo's time as Grand Master were also Catholics, or were implied to be Catholic, I mean, Jacopo was a pope, was he not? Rodrigo still believed in God, just not in the traditional manner of the Catholic Church at the time, and Ezio was raised a Catholic as well. Many Templar sympathizers, and Templar adherents were religious, so it stands to reason that the Father of Understanding refers to God. Strangely enough, I don't recall if this appears in other games as well, or merely just AC2. 

      Some of the Templars are religious, but the organization as a whole is not. Most of the Templars were aware of the Isu and, as such, tended to be wary of myths and religions in general.

      Neither Ezio nor Rodrigo were believers. Ezio explicitly identified himself as a non-believer in Discovery and Rodrigo very clearly stated that he did not believe a single word of the Bible, only becoming Pope in order to gain power and access to the Vatican Vault.

      As for the Father of Understanding, I personally suspect that it might be Cain, given that his mark was used as the Templar insignia. We can't really know until it's revealed.

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    • Actually, I strongly believe that the Templar organization as a whole is religious, or used to be anyway. Especially during Robert de Sable's time, I mean King Richard the Lionheart basically founded the Knights Templar, and the preaching philosophy was Christianity. They have religious foundations, so I am led to believe that the Father of Understanding refers to God. not Cain or some other human. 

      As for Ezio, he renounced his religious ties after the murder of his father and brothers, in his mind, if God was real, He would have prevented the injustice. Rodrigo stated that he dismissed the Bible, not necessary God. Rodrigo essentially believed that God lived beneath the Vatican, he obviously believed in some version of a higher power. 

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    • According to Assassin's Creed: The Essential Guide, it is "unclear" whether the Father of Understanding actually refers to a deity or not. The phrase, often invoked in greetings and ritual ceremonies, is meant to symbolize the "sense of order and logic" the Templars embrace.

      I personally think that the Templars are not actually really that logical especially since the Assassins are the ones whose Creed actually says that to be wise, one has to know that one knows nothing, and therefore search truth through empirical reasoning while recognizing that no truth is absolute because our understanding of it is limited by our observations and interpretations. The Templars do not have this prescription, often believing that they are the wisest among humanity (therefore entitled to shepherd them), or that they are so intelligent that they have arrived at Truth almost intuitively. I think therefore underlying the Father of Understanding is something almost religious or superstitious, though not quite, in that it almost seems to represent how their notion that they possess wisdom, Truth, and logic is zealous and presumptuous, like a faith in and of itself. The Assassins contrast because their epistemological views rejects faith that one has truly acquired the Truth.

      It is less significant whether Templars regard the "Father of Understanding" as an actual deity or not; the importance lies in what it symbolizes: their mindset that their ideology is so righteous and unquestionable, that they almost act as though it is divinely guided. Whether or not they truly believe the Father is a deity or not, they appeal to this character, this motif, because it embodies their mentality of seeing Truth as something that can be understood by just "knowing", intuitively, not so unlike religious people, even though they say they belief in "logic", their faith in how indisputable their "logic" is is almost a religion in and of itself.

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    • No one would see their work as Divine unless of Divine intervention.  The Templars are not atheists....desipte their knowledge of the Isu....they are theists or more likely deists....Rodrigo Borgia deeply believed in God, not the Bible, but God... in contrast to Ezio's atheism. 

      Perhaps the Father of Undertsnading is a divine entity who was worshipped by the Isu....and the Isu founded the Templars to carry on the religion of the Isu. This is what i deeply believe. 

      Truth is Assassins do their work as a religion as well. The Assassin's quote "We work in the dark to serve the light" could mean anything.

      The Templar's quote "May the Father of Understanding Guide us" Not May Understanding Guide Us". The "Father" is an non-human entity....hopefully not an Isu...i want it ti be something or someine higher than them. 

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    • Callum Konstantin wrote:
      No one would see their work as Divine unless of Divine intervention. 

      The Templars are not atheists....desipte their knowledge of the Isu....they are theists or more likely deists....Rodrigo Borgia deeply believed in God, not the Bible, but God... in contrast to Ezio's atheism. 

      Perhaps the Father of Undertsnading is a divine entity who was worshipped by the Isu....and the Isu founded the Templars to carry on the religion of the Isu. This is what i deeply believe. 

      Truth is Assassins do their work as a religion as well. The Assassin's quote "We work in the dark to serve the light" could mean anything.

      The Templar's quote "May the Father of Understanding Guide us" Not May Understanding Guide Us". The "Father" is an non-human entity....hopefully not an Isu...i want it ti be something or someine higher than them. 

      The Templars and Assassins are both secular organizations, but individual members can still be part of any religion and faith. For example, Altaïr's father and mother were a muslim and a christian respectively, whereas Altaïr himself was an atheist.

      As for the Father of Understanding, it's likely that it has different meaning to different members. As Sol Pacificus pointed out, the phrase could easily just be symbolic of their belief that their logic is indisputable, to the point of being almost a religion in and of itself. However, different individual members likely held different opinions on the matter.

      I'd image that certain members of the Greek Rite around the time of Alexander the Great probably believed that the "Father" was Zeus. Similarly, some members of the Persian Rite during the time of the Achaemenid Empire might have thought of the "Father" as being Ahura Mazda. The phrase is ultimately ambiguous enough that different members of different religions, or no religion at all, can interpret it as they wish.

      It should also be noted that their use of the term "Father" does not imply that the Templars necessarily have to believe it to be some kind of anthropomorphic being. For example, people often use the term "Mother Nature" to describe nature without in any way suggesting or implying that they believe it to be some kind of supernatural being.

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    • OK...but i'm also saying that it would be intresting to see a being higher than the Isu. I believe the Isu created advanced technology because their religion shows this as a way to communicate and have a Covenant with the Father of Undertanding, their God. 

      It would rather give an intretsing spin to the Father of Understanding. To make him an Isu, human, a concept or a woman seems tooo predictable and thus somewhat unrealistic. To make the Father of Understanding a being beyond the Isu themselves seems like an intresting step. 

      In short, The Templar Order being a human continuation or a human incarnation of the Isu's religion. But over time, became about peace via New World Order. 

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    • Could be interesting, since we don't really know how the Templars came about, aside from the implication that they were founded by Cain. That being said, actual supernatural beings haven't really been established in the AC-verse.

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    • I personally think that a higher entity to the Isu would make for an unstable lore because then we would endlessly speculate if there are even entities higher and higher. I also think that if there were any truly divine figure, it would derail Assassin's Creed since a lot of it is built on the premise of supernatural phenomenon, magic, myths, and divinity being rationalized or "scientized" (whatever the proper word for it is), but this is just my opinion. It could be interesting.

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    • Sol Pacificus wrote:
      I personally think that a higher entity to the Isu would make for an unstable lore because then we would endlessly speculate if there are even entities higher and higher. I also think that if there were any truly divine figure, it would derail Assassin's Creed since a lot of it is built on the premise of supernatural phenomenon, magic, myths, and divinity being rationalized or "scientized" (whatever the proper word for it is), but this is just my opinion. It could be interesting.

      I think you're referring to Clarke's Third Law: Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

      In general, we have not seen any signs of any "real" magic in the AC-verse.

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    • The bottom line is it would be remarkable if the Father of Understanding was a supreme being worshiped by the Isu's themselves... humanity, namely the Templars, merely adopted the Isu's own religion. 

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    • The individual itself isn't relevant but what the individual stood for. If anything it's more a symbolic line than a religious one, especially since the Templar Order isn't religious because of the knowledge of the Isu and their artifacts. A couple of exceptions among the fruits in a tree don't change how it generally is. So what the FoU is doesn't matter either wether it's a human, Isu or hybrids. By Templar logic it must be an individual that stood by what they are willing to fight and die for. Enlightened leadership under knowledgeable individual(s) to guide a chaotic society. Wouldn't call God, Allah or whatever the space wizards is called today for that kind of leaders. And in the Templars also spoke against those religions. Rodrigo calling it lies and superstition written by men, Jubaïr(?) I think called it ancient texts that cause war and Vidic joked about a book claiming that earth was created in 7 days. With the point of the discussion being that anyone can write anything they want.

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    • There are so many questions

      The Isus aside from an advanced race, what else were they...

      Was Earth one of the established colonies of the Isu empire or not...like how the British Empire had Colonial America, Australlia, Africa, Arabia etc...

      Like any advanced civilization, They too must have had a "World Religion" based in sumeting beyond illusions since their superior minds can see through techonolgical "magic"?

      Was all this advanced technology their way of communicating with their Supreme Deity?

      They too have an origin...like the Isus created humanity, but who created the Isus? Was it the Father of Understanding?

      Like real life itself, there are sooo many questions in this as well.

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    • In the crossover of my friend and me between Star Wars, Naruto, and Assassin's Creed (yes sounds crazy, but it's a long running tradition of ours dating back to elementary school years to cross SW w/Naruto), the Isu are the same species as the Celestials.

      However, I think in AC lore itself, it might not make sense for the Isu to have been a galaxy-spanning empire because otherwise they would have had the means to escape the Toba catastrophe by fleeing the planet unless for whatever reason they were stranded. It never seemed to me that they were indigenous to Earth though.

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    • Callum Konstantin wrote: Like any advanced civilization, They too must have had a "World Religion" based in sumeting beyond illusions since their superior minds can see through techonolgical "magic"?

      Was all this advanced technology their way of communicating with their Supreme Deity?

      They too have an origin...like the Isus created humanity, but who created the Isus? Was it the Father of Understanding?

      I don't understand why an advanced civilization must have had a world religion. East Asian civilizations like China, Vietnam, Korea, and Japan have always been largely agnostic for their millennia of history even while they incorporated spiritual beliefs and their commoners had their superstitions. Religion in China and Japan was never as all -encompassing as it was for Europe and the Niddle-East. Even India, while being predominantly Hindu had strains of atheism and agnosticism throughout its history. Buddhism itself is agnostic. The modern notion of religion is derived mostly from European and Western Asian belief systems; it is not a universal quality of every civilization to be preoccupied by religion. If anything, a civilization so advanced should have moved beyond religion.

      Anyways, there are no hints that the Father of Understanding was ever an Isu concept, and I think that's too far of a stretch. It's a Templar motif.

      But I get what you mean that we must wonder about the origins of the Isu themselves.

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    • I too had written a crossover quite a few years ago between Star TrekStargateDoctor WhoAssassin's Creed and a couple other franchises. I made the Isu the same race as the Ancients from Stargate and the Ancient humanoids from Star Trek.

      In terms of AC lore, based on various statements made throughout the series, it seems that the Isu are indigenous to Earth and evolved there. At the end of AC2, Minerva specifically refers to Earth as "our home". Not to mentioned the aforementioned fact that, if they aliens, they could have used whatever spaceships brought them to Earth to either leave or at least use them as shelter.

      Assuming that Abstergo's classification of the Isu as "Homo sapiens divinus" is accurate, that means that they are a species of the line of Great Apes who naturally evolved sapience and eventually became the dominant species on Earth. It is specifically mentioned that they genetically engineered humans from a pre-existing primate species, probably because they're closely related to each other. Their ability to interbreed with humans and produce fertile offspring further confirms this relation.

      As for their religion(s), if they developed naturally, it would probably mean that they also developed hundreds, if not thousands of different religions over the course of thousands of years of history. By the time they created humanity, it seems that they had mostly become secular, with no explicit mentions of any beliefs in supernatural beings.

      I've heard that the Isu were originally supposed to be aliens, but those plans got changed around the time Patrice Désilets left.

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    • It does tick me off that all these theories seem far too obvious to be true. Based on all of this...It seems that no true anser exists...does it? Or maybe we are theorizing and stating facts without sufficient data....much like how we dont have enough clay to create bricks. 

      We need more data...perhaps the Father of Understanding was a metaphoric being or an Isu being or a human being or even an Isu's own World Religion's god....Either way it seems that we dont have sufficient data to prove any theory right now...regardless how likely the theories are.

      Though they all are quite tempting and all of them... the Father of Understanding being a human, Isu, other higher magical being or just a concept....seem too likely to be true...  

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    • It seems we have some gauranteed facts.....

      1. They were super intelligent, had more senses and extremely long lived. 

      2. They built technology which is almost indetinguishable form true magic. 

      3. They are native to the Earth, though the naturally evolved part is not proven.

      4. They were worshipped by humanity as Pagan Deities and the Spirits of indigenous religions.  

      5. They are either critically endangrerd or completely extinct. 

      6. Some key members of their kind have still left their essence/consciousness on the earth. 

      7. They geneticaly engineered humanity in their image. 

      I really hope the humans manage to re-clone the Isus back into existence with their memories inatct. It would seem sooooo much interesting and we can inally get some true answers. 

      It the cloned Isu states that they also follow and worship the Father of Understanding.....many are gonna be blown away. 

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    • An old tweet by Darby does confirm that the FoU is an individual.

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    • ACsenior wrote: An old tweet by Darby does confirm that the FoU is an individual.

      Interesting, do you have a link to that?

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    • Sol Pacificus wrote:

      ACsenior wrote: An old tweet by Darby does confirm that the FoU is an individual.

      Interesting, do you have a link to that?

      I don't but you should be able to find it by searching "father of understanding Darby Mcdevit"(something like that) on Google.

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    • Now that you mention it Germain the Sage did say that the Templars will redesign the world in the way the Father of Understanding intended....not how the templars or us...it was specific like referring to a living individual. 

      Well atleast that solves up the question whether the Father of Understanding is an individual or  a concept. 

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    • Before ACIVBlackFlag, the "Father of Understanding" was just a sentence that represents the bedrocks on which the Templar Order is founded: Understanding, Direction, Purpose, Order above Chaos and Anarchy. But since ACIVBlackFlag, the Father of Understanding was referred as a being. Germain speaks of it as a HE/HIM, so it's probably a Male Isu. NOT JUNO, NOT SATAN. Who? We don't know.

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    • Dont forget Cain was corrupted by satan to kill his brother Abel. 

      Satan in real life is a strict monotheist which is why he disobeyed the order to bow to man...Plus he was also an Angel Suprmemacist. These attributes might give us more of a clue. But in the End the Templars are sooo convinced that they are being guided by something "divine" namely the Sage Germain. So we need to look at what makes the Father of Understanding "divine". 

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    • Callum Konstantin wrote:
      Dont forget Cain was corrupted by satan to kill his brother Abel. 

      That's what the Bible says But in the AC universe, Cain killed his brother Abel to stole his Apple of Eden (Maybe the same one Eve and Adam stole from the Isu). The glyph doesn't explain what happened before that but after the murder. There are many implications but they are not enough to confirmed that the Isu version of Satan commanded Cain to kill his brother.

      The only thing we can say it's that Adam and Eve founded an Ancient Branch of Assassins and his son Cain rejected their brotherhood and founded the Templar Branch to collect the other PoEs, starting with his brother's. (Source: AC:The Essential Guide and AC2:Glyph #6)

      Callum Konstantin wrote:
      Satan in real life is a strict monotheist which is why he disobeyed the order to bow to man...Plus he was also an Angel Suprmemacist. These attributes might give us more of a clue. But in the End the Templars are sooo convinced that they are being guided by something "divine" namely the Sage Germain. So we need to look at what makes the Father of Understanding "divine". 

      That's where you are mistaken. In the period of the Hundred Years War and the French Revolution, the Templar Branchs there didnt know about the sages. If they did, de Molay and Germain wouldn't be Grand Masters of the Order. Something happened to the West Indies Rite that didn't let the information about Sages reach the other rites.

      Also, the Templars dont follow the Sages. (de Molay and Germain wasn't known as Sages but Grand Masters, that's quite different). The ones that follow the sages are the Instruments of the First Will. (Juno's/Isu followers).
      As I said: Before ACIV the Father of Understanding wasn't a "divine" being. It wasn't a being at all, just a concept of wisdom that demands to follow reason above all. But since ACIV the concept changed and it was referred as a being.

      Now, dont forget that in the AC universe gods doesn't exist (for now). Every myth, legend, divine tale, etc. has a "scientific" and logic explanation: Pieces of Eden or biological phenomenons.

      The question here is: why and where the Templars started to call the Father of Understanding as a "He/Him"?

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    • Perhaps in the AC Universe Lucifer is the name of a manevolent or benovolent Isuan entity who is still alive or atleast his essense has remained on earth whereas his physical form has died out long ago. 

      You know, it would be nice if a few, if not many, Isuan entities are cloned back into existence with their genetics, memories and soul intact. After all our top questions always are

      1. What is the culture of the Isu?

      2. Who are the Isu's God or Gods. if they have or had any that is?  

      3. When did they start to exist?

      4. Who is the real Father of Understanding...is it one of your kind or our kind or something higher and more ancient than them?

      5. How do the Pieces of Eden work, like what are the mechanism that place when the Shroud heals, or how does a drop of blood allow you to see through the senses of anyone, human or Isu or how do the Sword project lightning?

      I think only one of their kind can answer these questions. 

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    • I keep seeing the adjectival form "Isuan" pop-up around this wiki, especially in articles, but has it been confirmed in sources this is correct?

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    • The FoU can be both an individual and concept. By being someone ancient that simply embodies what the Templars stand for.

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    • Sol Pacificus wrote: I keep seeing the adjectival form "Isuan" pop-up around this wiki, especially in articles, but has it been confirmed in sources this is correct?

      Not as far as I know. Isu has never been conjugated like that.

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    • Zero-ELEC wrote:

      Sol Pacificus wrote: I keep seeing the adjectival form "Isuan" pop-up around this wiki, especially in articles, but has it been confirmed in sources this is correct?

      Not as far as I know. Isu has never been conjugated like that.

      We should start correcting this then. o.O

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    • ACsenior wrote:
      The FoU can be both an individual and concept. By being someone ancient that simply embodies what the Templars stand for.

      He is confirmed to be an actual physical living being. The French Sage, Germain stated that humanity needs to be redigned based on the teachings and ways of the Father of Understanding intended....

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    • We need more data....more research to find the Templar's God. Or prophet what ever he is or was. 

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    • Callum Konstantin wrote:

      ACsenior wrote:
      The FoU can be both an individual and concept. By being someone ancient that simply embodies what the Templars stand for.

      He is confirmed to be an actual physical living being. The French Sage, Germain stated that humanity needs to be redigned based on the teachings and ways of the Father of Understanding intended....

      That expands what I said instead, so it doesn't contradict what Germain said.

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    • Is anyone still talking about this? I just finished AC Origins literally like 10 minutes ago and this exact question was bugging me ever since Septimius said that Julius Caesar was the Father of Understanding. The main leader or head of the Templars are always called Grand Masters so maybe everytime the Templars called upon the Father of Understanding, ever since the beginning of Assassin's Creed, they were always referring to Julius Caesar. To my recollection this was the earliest record of anyone referring to the Father of Understanding so maybe it could really be Caesar. Maybe he was their prophet just like Ezio was for the Assassins.  I mean by the end of Origins he did have like around 3? Pieces of Eden. I'm not sure how many but certainly more than 1. So maybe they worshipped Caesar like a literal God because of those Pieces of Eden. I just wanted your opinions about this theory of mine. :) 

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    • Julius Caesar....yup that was a terrible blow to the series. I mean seriously make it one of the First Civilization, not a regular man...not even a sage damnit. 

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    • Only the Egyptians worshipped their kings and queens as deities, the Romans did not do this, though if I recall, the Chinese were also quite literal in their interpretation of deities and proclaimed kingship through divine right aka the Mandate of Heaven. This blows my original interpretation of the phrase out of the water, though not entirely. The Order of the Ancients are precursers to the Knights Templar, while the Hidden Ones are precursers to the Assassins, or rather Hashishin (Assassin - in Arabic). The Father of Understanding can both be literal and symbolic in reference to Julius Casesar and to God (By King Richard the Lionheart during the Third Crusade). 

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    • SupremeAssassin wrote:
      Only the Egyptians worshipped their kings and queens as deities, the Romans did not do this, though if I recall, the Chinese were also quite literal in their interpretation of deities and proclaimed kingship through divine right aka the Mandate of Heaven. This blows my original interpretation of the phrase out of the water, though not entirely. The Order of the Ancients are precursers to the Knights Templar, while the Hidden Ones are precursers to the Assassins, or rather Hashishin (Assassin - in Arabic). The Father of Understanding can both be literal and symbolic in reference to Julius Casesar and to God (By King Richard the Lionheart during the Third Crusade). 

      Maybe the Templars discovered the real Father of Understanding to be worshipped by the Isus themselves....and thus adopted to worshipping him as well. 

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    • Callum Konstantin wrote:
      SupremeAssassin wrote:
      Only the Egyptians worshipped their kings and queens as deities, the Romans did not do this, though if I recall, the Chinese were also quite literal in their interpretation of deities and proclaimed kingship through divine right aka the Mandate of Heaven. This blows my original interpretation of the phrase out of the water, though not entirely. The Order of the Ancients are precursers to the Knights Templar, while the Hidden Ones are precursers to the Assassins, or rather Hashishin (Assassin - in Arabic). The Father of Understanding can both be literal and symbolic in reference to Julius Casesar and to God (By King Richard the Lionheart during the Third Crusade). 
      Maybe the Templars discovered the real Father of Understanding to be worshipped by the Isus themselves....and thus adopted to worshipping him as well. 

      Perhaps, but given the direction that Ubisoft has gone in, this means that the conception of Templars and Assassins are only as old as Ptolemy Egypt, and not as old as say, Adam and Eve. Of course, William says that Assassins and Templars have been at war for thousands of years (44 BC to 2012 AD, that's a big chunk of time, but not as long as you'd think, it's only 2056 years) but admits it could be even longer if you believed the origins of their stories, which he did. 

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    • SupremeAssassin wrote:
      Callum Konstantin wrote:
      SupremeAssassin wrote:
      Only the Egyptians worshipped their kings and queens as deities, the Romans did not do this, though if I recall, the Chinese were also quite literal in their interpretation of deities and proclaimed kingship through divine right aka the Mandate of Heaven. This blows my original interpretation of the phrase out of the water, though not entirely. The Order of the Ancients are precursers to the Knights Templar, while the Hidden Ones are precursers to the Assassins, or rather Hashishin (Assassin - in Arabic). The Father of Understanding can both be literal and symbolic in reference to Julius Casesar and to God (By King Richard the Lionheart during the Third Crusade). 
      Maybe the Templars discovered the real Father of Understanding to be worshipped by the Isus themselves....and thus adopted to worshipping him as well. 
      Perhaps, but given the direction that Ubisoft has gone in, this means that the conception of Templars and Assassins are only as old as Ptolemy Egypt, and not as old as say, Adam and Eve. Of course, William says that Assassins and Templars have been at war for thousands of years (44 BC to 2012 AD, that's a big chunk of time, but not as long as you'd think, it's only 2056 years) but admits it could be even longer if you believed the origins of their stories, which he did. 

      Technically speaking, both the Assassins and Templars existed in various forms prior to 47 BCE. They still trace their origins back to the time of Adam and Eve in c. 75,000 BCE, it's just that their current forms have existed for a much shorter time.

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    • The Wikia Editor wrote:
      SupremeAssassin wrote:
      Callum Konstantin wrote:
      SupremeAssassin wrote:
      Only the Egyptians worshipped their kings and queens as deities, the Romans did not do this, though if I recall, the Chinese were also quite literal in their interpretation of deities and proclaimed kingship through divine right aka the Mandate of Heaven. This blows my original interpretation of the phrase out of the water, though not entirely. The Order of the Ancients are precursers to the Knights Templar, while the Hidden Ones are precursers to the Assassins, or rather Hashishin (Assassin - in Arabic). The Father of Understanding can both be literal and symbolic in reference to Julius Casesar and to God (By King Richard the Lionheart during the Third Crusade). 
      Maybe the Templars discovered the real Father of Understanding to be worshipped by the Isus themselves....and thus adopted to worshipping him as well. 
      Perhaps, but given the direction that Ubisoft has gone in, this means that the conception of Templars and Assassins are only as old as Ptolemy Egypt, and not as old as say, Adam and Eve. Of course, William says that Assassins and Templars have been at war for thousands of years (44 BC to 2012 AD, that's a big chunk of time, but not as long as you'd think, it's only 2056 years) but admits it could be even longer if you believed the origins of their stories, which he did. 
      Technically speaking, both the Assassins and Templars existed in various forms prior to 47 BCE. They still trace their origins back to the time of Adam and Eve in c. 75,000 BCE, it's just that their current forms have existed for a much shorter time.

      Oraganizationally, the Assassinis have only existed as far back as Ptolemy Egypt, in technically, the year 44 BC. Now, in likeness or in principle, it's possible they date back even further. 

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    • SupremeAssassin wrote:
      Oraganizationally, the Assassinis have only existed as far back as Ptolemy Egypt, in technically, the year 44 BC. Now, in likeness or in principle, it's possible they date back even further.

      To be precise, the group (specifically the Egyptian branch) was founded in 47 BCE, with the Roman branch founded the following year in 46 BCE. The only precursor group specifically identified so far is the Babylonian Brotherhood, which operated in the 4th century BCE.

      But Aymar confirmed that other precursor groups have existed, and Adam and Eve were both identified as Assassins (now regarded as proto-Assassins) in Into the Animus.

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    • Perhaps we can classify these suspects as the Father of Understanding...

      1. King Solomon the Wise of the Israelites

      2. Apollo the God of Logical Reasoning

      3. Aristotle the First Logician 

      4. Moses of Israelites

      They were all wise and noble men who shepharded their people into peace. 

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    • I think it's safe to say that the Father of Understanding is more of a title and an idea rather than an actual entity. It symbolises the Templars' goals and ideals. Lucius referring to Caesar by that title could simply indicate that he thought of him as the embodiment of what the Order strove for with regard to creating the ideal society.

      Of course, the religious members of the Order could just as easily consider the Father of Understanding to be whichever deity they believed in.

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    • This has been a thoroughly fascinating read, with some very thought provoking material and issues raised.


      I absolutely love reading about all the backstory

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    • Callum Konstantin wrote:
      Perhaps we can classify these suspects as the Father of Understanding...

      1. King Solomon the Wise of the Israelites

      2. Apollo the God of Logical Reasoning

      3. Aristotle the First Logician 

      4. Moses of Israelites

      They were all wise and noble men who shepharded their people into peace. 

      I would replace Apollo with Athena, as she is associoated with Wisdom. In particular, she represents Menis, the Ancient Greek word for Cunning. Apollo wasn't associated with logical reasoning, that was Athena. She was known for being cunning and persuasive with her words, and is known for being a battle tactictian, military genius. Everything else works but Apollo. 

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    • What about Enki...the Mesotopian God of Knowledge?

      Or perhaps Abraham is the Father of Undertsnding...he was the First Jew... he shepharded his people to safety from so much and created a thriving communtiy. 

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    • Abraham wouldn't be a Templar though, he'd be an Assassin in ideology. Part of being a worshipper of God is understanding that all human beings have free will, and thus can choose to believe in God or not. Anyway, from playing Origins, it seems that Julius Caesar would be the Father of Understanding that Templars refer to. 

      Note: I messed up with the word, Menis means wrath, it's Metis that means cunning. 

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    • Spoiler for AC Origins:

      In Aya´s fight against Septimius he says referring to Caesar: "He is the father of understanding" So maybe the new templar order means caesar as the father of understanding of the Order of the Ancients

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    • Franz165 wrote:
      Spoiler for AC Origins:

      In Aya´s fight against Septimius he says referring to Caesar: "He is the father of understanding" So maybe the new templar order means caesar as the father of understanding of the Order of the Ancients

      Caesar wasn't THE Father. That title is older than we thought it was. Look here

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    • Cristophorus35 wrote:
      Franz165 wrote:
      Spoiler for AC Origins:

      In Aya´s fight against Septimius he says referring to Caesar: "He is the father of understanding" So maybe the new templar order means caesar as the father of understanding of the Order of the Ancients

      Caesar wasn't THE Father. That title is older than we thought it was. Look here

      Exactly thats what i said....Caesar cannot be the Father of Understanding....a cult always looks up to something higher... not just one their own kind, no matter how enlightened or powerful he is. 

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    • Cristophorus35 wrote:
      Franz165 wrote:
      Spoiler for AC Origins:

      In Aya´s fight against Septimius he says referring to Caesar: "He is the father of understanding" So maybe the new templar order means caesar as the father of understanding of the Order of the Ancients

      Caesar wasn't THE Father. That title is older than we thought it was. Look here

      That doesn't exactly instill me with confidence, nor make much sense, The Father of Understanding is meant to be symbolic, yes? Clearly, the Templars, even by Rodrigo Borgia's time, looked to a higher being for guidance. Who is it exactly? Cain? That answer is much too easy and too boring. I don't consider Adam and Eve, much less Cain and Abel to be proto-Assassins and Templars. They may have had the ideas, but they didn't have the practice or the organization. Who would be a proto-Assassin? Darius, who assassinated Xerxes with the first Hidden Blade. He's a proto-Assassin, and Bayek was the first, official Assassin. 

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    • SupremeAssassin wrote:
      I don't consider Adam and Eve, much less Cain and Abel to be proto-Assassins and Templars. They may have had the ideas, but they didn't have the practice or the organization. Who would be a proto-Assassin? Darius, who assassinated Xerxes with the first Hidden Blade. He's a proto-Assassin, and Bayek was the first, official Assassin. 

      In general, we consider proto-Assassins and proto-Templars to have been groups who believed in and fought for the same or at least similar beliefs and goals as their later successors.

      Adam and Eve were both identified as being among the first Assassins in Into the Animus, which, combined with what we now know because of Origins, is why they are considered proto-Assassins.

      Darius didn't share the same practice and organization as the Assassins either, aside from being the first recorded user of the Hidden Blade. He is considered by later Assassins to have been one of them because he, and whatever group he might have belonged to, fought for the same ideals and goals.

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    • Darius is the first recorded user of te Hidden Blade, that's a weapon that is distinctive to the Assassins, and he assassinated a tyrant (Xerxes). Darius is considered a proto-Assassin on the AC Wiki anyway. Adam and Eve are more like the foreparents of the Assassin Brotherhood, through their loins, the Brotherhood was born. 

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