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The Wedding

Conner never talk to with Lyle White and Lance O'Donnell after the wedding at all because I look for vidoe of this and find nothing.Tyraj (talk) 17:37, January 12, 2013 (UTC)

He did, it was one of the interactive conversations. Nesty Contact me! 17:37, January 12, 2013 (UTC)

Connor Meeting Aveline

How come we can't play as Connor on the 360/PS3 for his New York misson with Aveline? I mean, we can play it from his point of view on the Vita, so shouldn't it be the same for the major consoles? TranquilTempestQu'est-ce que c'est? 08:34, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

No? It's likely between Sequences 8 and 9, or 9 and 10. Crimson Knight Intercom 15:53, January 26, 2013 (UTC)
No, that doesn't happen.  I've played through the game twice now, and she's seen the walkthroughs. Supreme Master AssassinO Mentoras 15:59, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

I'm afraid that's a mystery I've been trying to solve for the longest time... and well... it has no answer, other than to say "We're Ubisoft. We do things like that." Supreme Master AssassinO Mentoras 15:59, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

What are you talking about? I mean that the memory in Liberation is likely between two memory sequences in III, and is therefore irrelevant to the plot... 

PS: Please don't move my messages; I was replying to Tranquil, not you. Crimson Knight Intercom 16:06, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

Well you weren't being specific so I was forced to improvise.  Supreme Master AssassinO Mentoras 16:20, January 26, 2013 (UTC)


Shouldn't Connor's race read Native-american/ European America. After all although he grew up native american he is in fact half of each race. 15:15, February 2, 2013 (UTC})

He's Half Mohawk, Half English. Haytham was English and Ziio was Mohawk. Not much else to it to be honest.Trever09 A place for Chivalry | Blog 15:39, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

He and Kaniehtí:io is half Mohawk and Half English, NOT their whole race. Although if his race were half English, there are no sources to confirm it as much as I know. I'll ask Sima. Altaïr Skywalker 47 Pigeon Coop 10:23, June 24, 2013 (UTC)
The fact that he is Haytham's son is confirmation enough. Haytham is described as being English, so his son's race is Native-American/English. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 11:08, June 24, 2013 (UTC)
That is what I said. I also said that his mother's ancestors (the race) were not half English. Altaïr Skywalker 47 Pigeon Coop 00:25, June 28, 2013 (UTC)

Romantic life

Could everybody pleasce stop editing out the Romantic life part because we have  Romantic life for all the other charater on here like his father,ezio, and altair and so on as example.Tyraj (talk) 00:00, February 20, 2013 (UTC)

While it is true that the other protagonists have romantic life sections, Connor's is not needed because it would just be a long paragraph basically stating that he doesn't have one. So, no, it will be removed. --NOSTALGIA TALK 01:59, February 20, 2013 (UTC)

While Connor didn't have a partner during the events of AC3 and TOKW, I think we should still note how he played matchmaker in lieu of having a girlfriend, and that an apprentice and a friend found him attractive. Really, the only reason I want a section because I find "Norris is trying to-- court... a woman. What do-- you-- women, like... in terms of gifts," a really funny quote header. --Alientraveller (talk) 21:45, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

Alternate timeline

Ratonhnhaké:ton's experiences in TOKY should be in the main biography section, not an entirely new one, all of the other characters involved would be because they show no evidence of recalling the events of the main timeline or somehow crossing over the way he did, whereas this is the mainstream Connor in an alternate world in a canon storyline. everything else I've seen with stories like this include it in the main biography unless it's specifically non canon. For example you see it on magneto's page on both his wikipedia and marvel wiki pages, the events of House of M are part of his main biography despite being set in an alternate world.Gboy4 (talk) 14:24, February 21, 2013 (UTC)

No. This isn't wikipedia or marvel wiki. We have our own Manual of Style. Abide by it or don't edit at all, else you'll do nothing but be disruptive. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 15:02, February 21, 2013 (UTC)
what manual of style?--Gboy4 (talk) 15:10, February 21, 2013 (UTC)
Never mind, found it.--Gboy4 (talk) 15:20, February 21, 2013 (UTC)
Wikipedia handles no set Manual of Style for this sort of occurence, and more characters than just Magneto are part multiple timelines in the Marvel Comics, it would be too messy to list all alternate realities on them otherwise. Connor retaining his consciousness from the main canon bears no relevance on this being part of his biography or not; none of this actually happened in the main canon, so it does not belong among the other things that he did do in the main canon. Additionally we do not know when exactly Connor and Washington had that encounter with the Apple and ended up in this alternate reality, and where it would fit in the biography. Just making a subsection in the biography immediately jumping into the alternate reality without explaining how Connor got there serves no place among canon info, and that is not comparable to Magneto's involvement in House of M. -- Master Sima Yi Clogs 15:21, February 21, 2013 (UTC)
No relevance? he's still personally experiencing it even if no other character is, the story has been stated to be Canon meaning that one way or another it did happen in the main canon as it is still something the mainstream Connor experienced and we know that it happened after the revolution and after Connor killed Charles Lee from what he says. Your point would be true for all of the characters except for Connor.--Gboy4 (talk) 15:37, February 21, 2013 (UTC)
Ubisoft stating the story to be canon in no way means that it happened in the main canon in one way or another. The canon aspect of this alternate timeline is that Connor is experiencing it in the real world, not doing it in the real world. You're just repeating what you said in your first message. In further regards to your remark about the House of M, in that story the characters were physically warped to a new reality (if I recall correctly), not just made to experience it in some dream-like sequence. There is no indication that this DLC takes place after Connor killed Charles Lee and after the revolution has ended, though his remark "I know who my father was" implies that Haytham was already dead. As shown at the start of the DLC, Connor had not shaved his hair like he did before he went to confront Charles Lee, and Washington was still wearing his military uniform. Haytham died in late 1781, which is the same year that was put in the Glyph with Washington holding the Apple. The most logical option would be that the encounter between Connor and Washington with the Apple occured in late 1781 or early to mid 1782, in between Sequence 10 and 11. -- Master Sima Yi Clogs 16:03, February 21, 2013 (UTC)
There is actually, I can't remember what they're called exactly but there are three memory points in the episode that show an image of connor's past, so far. Have found two of them and one of them is of Connor killing Charles. And can you please explain to me how the story being canon doesn't mean it happened in the main canon? And Connor is doing it, whether that means he's doing it in a dream or in another world.--Gboy4 (talk) 16:29, February 21, 2013 (UTC)
Once you get the three lucid memories in the Infamy, you can watch a short clip where Washington is riding to locate Connor. In this scene, Connor is uninjured, but it is not clear as to the exact time. For the time being, seeing we cannot ascertain the exact means of how he comes to be in the alternate timeline, it is much more convenient to keep it seperated until we know. Slate Vesper (talk) 16:36, February 21, 2013 (UTC)
Ok you've convinced me, I'll drop it for now.--Gboy4 (talk) 16:53, February 21, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, the DLC is canon. However, it being canon does not mean it happens in the same timeline as the events of ACIII. Therefore, we can hardly just put a section in the midst of all the main timeline information in which an ally is suddenly an enemy. It would be too confusing for the people who come to the wiki for information - it would probably even be too confusing for many of our editors. By having a section named "Alternate Timeline" we don't say that the events didn't actually happen. We only say that they happened in a different timeline - which is undeniably true (otherwise Kaniehtí:io could not possibly be alive). Me, Sima, and several others have conferred over it on the IRC and decided it stays the way it is. Nesty Contact me! 16:38, February 21, 2013 (UTC)

aternate time

If you don't mind me asking but shouldn't the alternate time not be on Ratonhnhake:ton page because this is noncant I mean the plot to the The Tyranny of King Washington epiosdes are on that page well The you know Tyranny of King Washington page mean  if people went to read about it they just go to that page I'm just saying.Tyraj (talk) 08:46, February 24, 2013 (UTC)

This has already been discussed right above your message. -- Master Sima Yi Clogs 16:59, February 24, 2013 (UTC)


but when is connor really born? on some sites it's states 1755, on some it's stated 1756 ..? —Preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk · contr)

Desmond was still reliving the memories in July 1755, during the Braddock Expedition, indicating that the child was not yet conceived at that point. Connor was conceived soon after, and because pregnancy takes around nine months it is impossible for Connor to have been born in 1755. Kanen'tó:kon's database entry also says that he was of the same age as Connor, and his birth date was listed as 1756. So Connor was born in 1756, not 1755.. -- Master Sima Yi Clogs 16:59, February 24, 2013 (UTC)
That being said, I find it very hard to believe that he was only 4 years old when we first see him and 14 when he leaves the village. Based on appearance, I'd guess around 11 and 19 respectively? 07:50, April 22, 2013 (UTC)
Appearances can be misleading. Just consider Claudia, Petruccio and Duccio in ACII... not to even mention IRL. Sadelyrate (siniath) 08:19, April 22, 2013 (UTC)  1:00-1:04. Сonnor was born in 1755. Ubisoft have answered.DocToR aka DOC (talk) 08:50, December 6, 2013 (UTC)
You do realize this was resolved months ago, and the link you've posted is outdated by over a year anyway. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 08:56, December 6, 2013 (UTC)
Understand. I just brought fact. Ubisoft revealed date of birth, and you're making about 1756.DocToR aka DOC (talk) 09:04, December 6, 2013 (UTC)
The game itself trumps any "fact" released by Ubisoft before said game's release. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 09:37, December 6, 2013 (UTC)
In any case, those who put the date of birth 1756 wrong. And I proved it. He probably considers himself smarter than Ubisoft.DocToR aka DOC (talk) 11:16, December 6, 2013 (UTC)
You're not though, and I proved it. We are still playing Haytham in June/July of 1755, which means it is physically impossible for his son to have born in any year except 1756. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 12:48, December 6, 2013 (UTC)
About June/July don't invent. It was there simply written 1755, without the month. This is your imagination. About Braddock Expedition I know that it was in July. But in games there are a lot of such discrepancy. For example, Robert de Sable died in 1193, instead of in 1191. DocToR aka DOC (talk) 13:57, December 6, 2013 (UTC)
here still look   even here it is written Ratonhnhaké:ton (1755 - Unknown)DocToR aka DOC (talk) 14:39, December 6, 2013 (UTC)

Ratonhnhaké:ton was born on April 4, 1756 Now shut up about your useless, outdated, completely wrong fact. --Revan's Exile (talk) 14:52, December 6, 2013 (UTC)

Indeed. The real world Robert de Sablé did indeed die in 1193; our article isn't about him though, it's about Robert de Sable, who died in 1191. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 15:14, December 6, 2013 (UTC)
Also in game Charles Lee biography differs from the real a little. So it is possible, as Brаddok's Expedition in game happens not in July, and earlier. I understand you, but on sites Ubisoft year of birth 1755 everywhere is written.DocToR aka DOC (talk) 15:22, December 6, 2013 (UTC)
No it is not: AC Initiates revealed Connor's date-of-birth to be April 4, 1756. --Alientraveller (talk) 16:00, December 6, 2013 (UTC)
It also doesn't matter what the various Ubisoft website say, what matters is the game. The game clearly indicates that the Braddock Expedition takes place in the middle of 1755, so it's not possible in any way that Raton was born in that year. Please stop trying to argue otherwise, it's getting little more than irritating. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 16:03, December 6, 2013 (UTC)
Boys, you almost convinced me. I am haunted here by it. It is a fragment from a trailer which left for few months to a game exit. Why there it is written 1755, instead of 1756? Developers couldn't confuse.DocToR aka DOC (talk) 16:23, December 6, 2013 (UTC)
I don't need to convince you; you're wrong, end of. And don't call me "boy". --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 16:50, December 6, 2013 (UTC)

Connor vs Ratonhnhaké:ton

When would one use "Connor" vs. "Ratonhnhaké:ton"? I thought that the decision was made to have him as Ratonhnhaké:ton. 2myname1 (talk) 06:40, March 10, 2013 (UTC)

When he adopts the name, he can be referred to Connor from thereon. That point is where Ratonhnhaké:ton and Achilles travel to Boston and Achilles gives him the name Connor to fit in around the town. Slate Vesper (talk) 08:12, March 10, 2013 (UTC)

What about the bottom sections, the ones about his skills and personality? Should that be Connor or Ratonhnhaké:ton? I would personally prefer Ratonhnhaké:ton, but I'm just curious. --Crimson Knight Intercom 16:46, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

A belated responses, admittedly, but this issue still hasn't been resolved. Like Crimson, I think we should be using his birth name in any BtS or non-biographical sections. Any objections to my making the necessary changes? --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 12:23, August 19, 2013 (UTC)
We shouldn't have to use Ratonhnhaké:ton unless we're referring to his life before he was an Assassin or the alternate timeline where he never became Connor, that's the point of his English name. Otherwise you run risk of making one name seem superior or more correct to the other, like if you change it to "Ratonhnhaké:ton was nominated for Best Character at the VGA Awards" because it makes it seem wrong of them to have referred to him as Connor. --Alientraveller (talk) 12:46, August 19, 2013 (UTC)
The fact that this article is called Ratonhnhaké:ton renders your point of superiority invalid. I'm not interested in changing the trivia or other OOU info, that can remain as Connor; I'm only concerned with the sections concerning his skills and personality. Ratonhnhaké:ton is his birth name, and who he always was. Connor was merely an adopted name, and shouldn't really be used in these non-biographical sections, in my opinion. --Crimson Knight Intercom 13:02, February 1, 2014 (UTC)


May I change the quote to this...

"We hold these truths to be self-evident: Our right to Freedom, our land, and our way of life. We will die for what we believe in; we cannot be stopped. We will never back now, because a life without freedom is not a life worth living. Give us liberty or give us death."

Awesomekid120 (talk) 18:16, April 3, 2013 (UTC)Awesomekid1204

When does Connor say this? -- Master Sima Yi Clogs 18:27, April 3, 2013 (UTC)
It was in a trailer, but I can't remember which one. But it sounds too 'Murican, I prefer the one we have now. --Crimson Knight Intercom 18:40, April 3, 2013 (UTC)

I searched for it, and here it is. --Crimson Knight Intercom 18:49, April 3, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, that one... Yeah, I agree with Crimson. -- Master Sima Yi Clogs 20:04, April 3, 2013 (UTC)
Plus, the trailer's aren't a part of the canon. We learned that when the Brotherhood trailer came out. (Revelations "trailer" was actually the game's introductory video, before anybody points it out.) --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 17:19, August 19, 2013 (UTC)
From where do you know they are not canon except the revelations one? I always found it weird since we dont see any of these things in the actual game but where did you get the confirmation that they arent canon? did ubisoft said this? 21:20, April 6, 2015 (UTC)
If it's not in the game or a related media, then it's not canonical. Simple as that. Promotional things such as trailers are discounted, since they rarely reflect what actually is in the game itself. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 22:04, April 6, 2015 (UTC)
I should think taking character appearances from trailers is acceptable, but not quotes. They're usually just monologues recorded for the trailer. --Crimson Knight Intercom 22:37, April 6, 2015 (UTC)

Is this the End?

Someone knows what's going to happen to Connor? Or Ubisoft's going to stop his story and just focus in Edward? AnimusHack (talk) 20:31, April 25, 2013 (UTC)

Such discussion is more relevant to our community forums on the home page than here, but in any event, we'll probably learn who Connor settled with and when he died in future media. --Alientraveller (talk) 20:35, April 25, 2013 (UTC)

we should add the surname Kenway because Ubisoft confirmed that Connor adopted his father surname


Do you have a source? And sign your posts, please. --Crimson Knight Intercom 16:49, May 18, 2013 (UTC)

Connor's Descendants

Is it ever confirmed in any type of media that William Miles is Connor's descendant and not Desmond's mother? Sometime in the game, Desmond tells his dad that he (William) can look through Connor's memories himself, but Desmond doesn't even know if that's for certain, he just assumes they're related.TranquilTempestBonjour 02:43, June 24, 2013 (UTC)

William is Ratonhnhaké:ton's descendant. AC3 and AC4 confirm (and will confirm) this. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 08:50, June 24, 2013 (UTC)
I do not think so, can you provide a source that ACIII confirms this? I'm not telling that ACIV will not confirm it. Altaïr Skywalker 47 Pigeon Coop 10:17, June 24, 2013 (UTC)
To quote Desmond in AC3: "Hey, he was your ancestor too. Why don't you hop in the Animus?!". --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 11:11, June 24, 2013 (UTC)
Might've been just a wild guess on Desmond's part. Granted, William doesn't deny it. Still, we might wish to wait for something a bit more definitive than that before we set it in stone. :) Sadelyrate (siniath) 14:02, June 24, 2013 (UTC)
I've noticed people here saying we can't be sure because Desmond "might have been guessing". There is nothing to say Desmond doesn't know about his relation to Connor, so we should be assuming it's a "wild guess on [his] part." Basically, Desmond said "he was your ancestor too" so as far as canon is concerned, Desmond is related to Connor through his father. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 16:12, June 24, 2013 (UTC)
While the writers put that line in for a reason, would it be canon too if Desmond said his father was a potato? It is highly likely that William is descended from the Kenways, but there is nothing to imply that Desmond could have known, from an in-universe point of view. Desmond had no prior knowledge of his ancestors. He did not know anything about Haytham and only just expressed his shock at Haytham's reveal as a Templar, and then all of a sudden knows that Haytham is William's ancestor? It does not add up. While we can all know that William is a Kenway descendant, saying it is 100% confirmed would be the same as saying that Desmond's son exists. -- Master Sima Yi Clogs 16:22, June 24, 2013 (UTC)
I don't see how any of those comparisons you've made make sense. Firstly, we know William is not a potato because, well, he's human; we see that in-game. If Desmond were to call him such it would clearly be wrong, because it's, well, obvious. With regards to his not knowing of his ancestry, just because he was unaware of his links to the Auditores' or Ibn-La'Ahads' doesn't mean he was unaware of the Kenways' (you're making an assumption). Also, there is a difference between knowing who your ancestors are, and what they do. Desmond could well have known who his ancestor, Connor, was without knowing he was also a member of the Assassins.
So my point remains; Desmond clearly said that his father was also an ancestor of the Kenways', and as such we have to take that as canon. (Whether he turns out in future media to be correct or not, is currently besides the point.) Making assumptions that Desmond is ignorant of his lineage, or that his father is somehow related to a potato is ridiculous. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 09:01, June 25, 2013 (UTC)
Similarly, you're making an assumption that what Desmond says, while agitated, is fact. Both stances are currently just as valid. Sadelyrate (siniath) 09:38, June 25, 2013 (UTC)
I am making no such assumption, Desmond clearly says ""Hey, he was your ancestor too." Whether he was agitated, annoyed, or whatever else is besides the point. Until a media comes out explicitly contradicting that statement, William is for all intent and purposes a descendant of Connor. Whether I personally think that to be true or not is besides the point. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 10:15, June 25, 2013 (UTC)
You are taking my example out of context, and ignoring the in-universe stance to be completely in favor of the out-of-universe one. Then by all means, make an article on 'Desmond Miles' son', because Subject 16 explicitly mentioned him. His state of mind would be irrelevant as well then. Also, Desmond was unaware of the Kenways, as he relied on Shaun to provide additional information on them. Nothing even remotely implies that Desmond had knowledge of the Kenways. -- Master Sima Yi Clogs 12:28, June 25, 2013 (UTC)
Except for the fact that we know Desmond does not have a son since he died before he had the chance to produce one, (certainly not one that we are made aware of), and the ramblings of a gibbering computer programme and not to be completely trusted. I don't see how Desmond saying "he is your ancestor too" can be taken as being OOU. It's a simple statement that, without any contradictory evidence, has to be taken as canon. Whether Desmond was, or was not aware of any of his ancestors does not change the fact he said that. You need to stop making excuses for him and accept that William is related to the Kenways. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 14:18, June 25, 2013 (UTC)
Is it so important to note William is a descendant of Connor when there's a 50% chance he's also descended from Aquilus, Altair and Ezio? Or to note that on Desmond's mum's article? We all know it's likely they're ancestors of William because they're all ancestors of Desmond. --Alientraveller (talk) 22:15, June 25, 2013 (UTC)
There is nothing to contradict that Desmond does not have a son either. He may have sired one unknowingly before he was captured. That 'gibbering computer programme' conveniently also mentioned the Sun, nothing happened with that, I suppose. Obviously Desmond does not have a son, but my point is that because one character says something it does not make it true. I don't need to 'accept' anything. I will 'accept' it when it is explicitly stated, within a context that makes sense. You 'need' to start reading what I said when I never said that Desmond saying it 'is OOU'.
Point is, until it is explicitly stated that William is descended from a Kenway, within a context that makes sense and is not one big plothole, only then will we state it is so on articles. -- Master Sima Yi Clogs 07:42, June 26, 2013 (UTC)
It is explicitly stated. You can't get much more explicit than "he is your ancestor too." --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 08:26, June 26, 2013 (UTC)
It's also explicitly stated that "The Templars ... got no ambition. No passion! No competitive edge!" But is it a fact? Sadelyrate (siniath) 09:54, June 26, 2013 (UTC)
Maybe, Rebecca just said it to make Templars plans to look dull or something...AgentG-sig.png AgentG-talk.png
That is Rebecca's opinion, so in her eyes it is true. If it had been someone besides Desmond saying it, I would agree that they could be mistaken/misinformed or whatnot, but since it was his son. You cannot have an opinion on whether someone is related to someone else; you're either correct, or not. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 11:34, June 26, 2013 (UTC)
And nothing but lack of explicit denial even suggests Desmond's sudden outburst might be based on fact. He might just as well be wrong; how many of us can recite our family tree for, what? The last four, five generations? Why would blood relation dictate one's knowledge of the people who've contributed to one's genepool?
However, if in your opinion that single heated phrase is all the validation required, why not edit William's article? And while you're at it, the Assassins' article to mention that no Assassin has ever been vegan? Same goes for Desmond's son, and the Templars' lack of 'fire'... since as per your earlier comments, attitude/current emotions are 'irrelevant'. If we accept one phrase as fact, we need to accept them all. Regardless of mitigating factors like being an opinion, or being 'untrustworthy.' Sadelyrate (siniath) 14:41, June 26, 2013 (UTC)
"Explicit lack of denial"? He is William's son; if he gets something as fundamentally wrong as knowing who his father's familial relation is then there is something seriously wrong with him. I for one can't accept he might have been mistaken, as then that throws everything else he has ever said into doubt. Not will I accept your assertion that he is untrustworthy (for the same reasons).
With regards to editing the page, I would have already, but that will do nothing beyond start an edit war with those who insist Desmond has absolutely no control of his vocal patterns once he gets a little antsy. Also, if Desmond was a vegan then I would see merit for the fact being included in his (and the Assassins) article; if Desmond had a son, we should make an article on that (although recent comments by a member of the development team explaining 16's 'son' comment negate the need for an article to be created); the Templars' "lack[ing] fire" is an opinion and should, if suitable, be included in Rebecca's article's Personality and Traits section. What next? --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 17:32, June 26, 2013 (UTC)
It bears repeating: How many can recite their family tree for the last four, five generations? How many can name even their great-grandparents, not to mention their great-great-great-great-grandparents, or further? And that's without even taking into account Desmond's attested character.
As for casting doubt on the verity of his words... that bus left a couple of years ago already. For example, in no way can "two dozen couples, some kids" translate into "about 30."
Whether something was an opinion, or said in a curious state of mind, or as a 'joke', or whatever else is besides the point if we accept things the way you propose we accept Desmond's comment. Sadelyrate (siniath) 15:39, June 27, 2013 (UTC)
Erm, 12x2= 24, plus "some kids" (which could easily be six), certainly translates into 30. You can repeat it as much as you like, the fact that someone else may not be able to recite their family history beyond three generations has absolutely no baring whatsoever on whether Desmond is able to, or not. What I'm proposing is that we take Desmond's quoted, unmistakable comment of "he's your ancestor too" and treat it like we do everything else we have on this wiki.
"He's you ancestor too" is a pretty definitive comment, leaving no question on whether he was joking, or emotional, or antsy or whatever; he said it as fact. There's no two ways about it. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 18:02, June 27, 2013 (UTC)
"Two dozen couples". It would be at least forty-eight people at the Farm, not including the kids. --Crimson Knight Intercom 18:07, June 27, 2013 (UTC)
Ugh, long day at work. Can't count now :s --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 18:11, June 27, 2013 (UTC)
We are treating it like we do everything else on this wiki.
And as stated, there's Desmond's attested character to consider. Sadelyrate (siniath) 09:55, June 28, 2013 (UTC)

You lot are really still at it, for two days now? --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 17:45, June 26, 2013 (UTC)

*sigh* Apparently. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 18:02, June 27, 2013 (UTC)
Hey, just asking, How come a man like Desmond come and say 'Hey, he's your ancestor too' to William if he just completed some sequences? If, IF, like Sima, it is explicitly stated that Ratonhnhaké:ton had descendants, it might be correct. Otherwise, why argue with something EVEN the writers haven't confirmed? Altaïr Skywalker 47 Pigeon Coop 00:46, June 28, 2013 (UTC)
Say what? --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 08:23, June 28, 2013 (UTC)
Ratonhnhaké:ton clearly had descendants, or else there would be no way to relive his genetic memories. In regards to the Desmond/William thing, I'd say it's better to keep undecided information off the Wiki, so then we're saving us the effort of having to remove it later on because we were proved wrong. Not that I'm saying it isn't a valid or unlikely theory, but that's what it remains as, a theory.
That is the source of this discussion; I believe Desmond's statement confirms the relationship between his father and Connor, the others do not. (So in my opinion, it is not "undecided".) Also, please don't forget to sign your posts. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 09:37, June 28, 2013 (UTC)
I have a feeling Black Flag will help to confirm or deny it though. Slate Vesper (talk) 09:33, June 28, 2013 (UTC)
Oh, without a doubt it will. But since it hasn't yet been released, we only have current media to go off of. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 09:37, June 28, 2013 (UTC)
Even if Rat. had descendants, that doesn't mean that Will and Desmond are in the DIRECT path. There are many branches. Anyway that doesn't mean anything here. I'll wait for BFlag to confirm it. Altaïr Skywalker 47 Pigeon Coop 13:24, June 28, 2013 (UTC)
What!? Of course Raton had descendants. The whole premise of the game is that Desmond is replaying the memories of his ancestors. Seriously... --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 16:13, June 28, 2013 (UTC)
Looks like I was right, again. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 11:12, November 1, 2013 (UTC)

Nobody said you were wrong. -- Master Sima Yi Clogs 11:16, November 1, 2013 (UTC)

In Black Flag  it confirms Raton was part of Desmond's paternal line so yes he is an ancestor of William

Awesomekid120 (talk) 11:36, November 17, 2013 (UTC)Awesomekid120


I propose to change Ratonhnhake:ton's quote to his narration in the trailer. Is anybody with me?


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12:01, August 11, 2013 (UTC)

Unless the quote is in the game or novel, then it is not canon. --Alientraveller (talk) 12:04, August 11, 2013 (UTC)
It is already discussed above. And if you insist, then put up a vote. Altaïr Skywalker 47Agency Laptop 12:06, August 11, 2013 (UTC)
It was the trailer for AC III... AgentG231 The Action Center 12:10, August 11, 2013 (UTC)
Which never actually happened, so no, we won't be using a quote from the trailer. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 12:41, August 11, 2013 (UTC)
If so, then the quote "On this land, I am torn. Part of me wants to fight and repel all outsiders. The other part of me is the outsider." (which is used in the 'Early life' section) is also non-canon, as it was taken from the 'Gameplay Premiere' trailer, right? -- ILan (XDEditsHome ) 15:38, August 19, 2013 (UTC)
If you're going to do all that, you might as well remove all OOU quotes, including the one on Aveline's page, since that comes from a trailer as well. Stormbeast The Helpful Place 16:06, August 19, 2013 (UTC)
Perhaps we should. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 17:20, August 19, 2013 (UTC)

Possible Entry to Grand Temple

Shortly after the events of "The Tyranny of King Washington", Connor possessed both the Amulet and an Apple of Eden (though he only possessed the latter very briefly). I believe that it should be mentioned in the Trivia section that although he was able to enter the Temple, he was unaware of the fact. 07:39, September 4, 2013 (UTC)

He buried the Amulet before he received the Apple. Stormbeast The Helpful Place 07:47, September 4, 2013 (UTC)
More to the point, why would we mention it? --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 08:48, September 4, 2013 (UTC)

Hugged ?

Who try to hugged him I never seen that?Tyraj (talk) 10:32, September 9, 2013 (UTC)

It Was More Of A Half-Handshake-Half-Shoulder-Bump. The Article Doesn't Actually Mean A Full Hug.2myname1 (talk) 23:10, September 9, 2013 (UTC)

Connor Kenway

And AC4BF now also handles the name 'Connor Kenway', in the Jackdaw appearances upgrade menu. Add to that Connor naming himself Connor Kenway in Forsaken, I think it's pretty safe to say that Connor adopts the surname Kenway after reading his father's journal. -- Master Sima Yi Clogs 12:13, November 1, 2013 (UTC)

  • Given that everything written in-game is coming from an Abstergo employee, who are known to twist events to suit their needs, I wouldn't put much faith in a single off-hand mention for the Aquila figurehead. Also, where in Forsaken does it say he took the name Kenway, as I've just had a quick glance through and could not see it. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 12:18, November 1, 2013 (UTC)

I am talking in addition to all the times Ubisoft have already called him 'Connor Kenway'. The Ubisoft marketing team continually did it, and the Ubiworkshop website does as well. The actual products even do, take a look here. This is a similar case to William being related to Connor: the writer put that in for a reason. I don't see why Abstergo would 'twist' that to suit any need. And I have taken a look through my copy as well and I cannot find it now. I do recall seeing it in the digital copy, 'Journal of Connor Kenway', but I no longer possess the digital version. I'll look further into it. Regardless of whether it was Corey May's intention to do it or not, all this marketing and now the upgrade menu establish the term as being canon. -- Master Sima Yi Clogs 12:30, November 1, 2013 (UTC)

Have you considered this? Also, Abstergo are know to twist the stories to extol the Templars' virtues (as the did with Aveline), so it would make sense that they would try and positively reinforce any familial relationship between Connor and his father. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 13:14, November 1, 2013 (UTC)

You do realize that it was me who brought it to people's attention here that Kenway was not his surname in the first place, right? So I most definitely have considered that. That does not change how many times he is referred to as Connor Kenway by Ubisoft themselves, and now even in a game. -- Master Sima Yi Clogs 13:33, November 1, 2013 (UTC)

Among others. The problem is, you have them using the Kenway name in some places, and denying his usage of it in others. Until we see a database entry for him that uses the name, or it is confirmed by Ubi ComDev, I'm going to be sceptical. Either way, I have tweeted Gabe about it and hope to get a response soon'ish. (P.S. I have just checked Forsaken again, and the name Connor Kenway is never used, nor is the 'Journal of Connor Kenway'.) --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 16:02, November 1, 2013 (UTC)
Remember how we had "Edward Teach" in AC3, until they corrected it to Thatch in AC4. This might be a similar case here. Al and Ezio got entries in AC3 database, does Connor get one in AC4?
Also, I don't see what we should change in the article, except that trivia bit about the whole 'Kenway' last name being used by Ubi. The opening paragraph still fits, and he never used Kenway surname through the game or in Forsaken. So until there's a new source focused on him in that regard, I don't see what we could change. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 16:39, November 1, 2013 (UTC)
I don't imagine he will do, considering he was born well after Edward's death and has, as far as I have got in game, had no noticeable impact whatsoever. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 16:51, November 1, 2013 (UTC)

ComDevs are not writers. I remember Gabe posting on the Ubiforums that Al Mualim was not a Templar at all; obviously this was a little mistake, but ComDevs are not writers or responsible for the series' canon. I'll ask Darby about it over the weekend, to see what he says on it. -- Master Sima Yi Clogs 17:06, November 1, 2013 (UTC)

In Initiates, he's called "Connor". --Auditore5 λ 11:06, November 2, 2013 (UTC)
Indeed. Abstergo Entertainment's use of the name "Connor Kenway" reeks of POV and bias, as I'm sure was the Ubisoft's intention in creating the company. Unless we have a contemporary source citing the Connor's use of the Kenway name, the most it should get is a Trivia point. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 09:36, November 4, 2013 (UTC)

Then I guess we best not use anything from the databases whatsoever? Since the Aveline DLC database entries for Aveline and Patience also list him as Connor Kenway. -- Master Sima Yi Clogs 12:28, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

We can use the database entries, we'll just stay away from anything contradictory, like the whole Kenway thing. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 15:44, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Here is a new possible surname for Connor. --Revan's Exile (talk) 01:48, November 22, 2013 (UTC)

MFW. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 01:53, November 22, 2013 (UTC)
Yeahhhhh, I'll go ahead and say that's probably a mistake. Certainly not a name we'll be using here. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 09:05, November 22, 2013 (UTC)

"Taboo to touch a stranger amongst the Native American tribes."

Perhaps it's a bit nitpicky, but how to people feel about qualifying this statement from the Triva section:

"It is considered taboo to touch a stranger amongst the Native American tribes. This may explain why Connor reacted with distaste whenever someone hugged him or shook his hand."

There are over 500 Native American tribes in the continental United States alone, and I don't imagine we can verify that this is a practice shared by every single one of them. Could we possibly qualify this to the Mohawk people? Or, if someone has a source showing the veracity of the current statement, could they provide it?

Molotov.cockroach (talk) 02:57, November 19, 2013 (UTC)

If it's unsourced it shouldn't be in the article. It's been there long enough that, if it was going to be sourced, it would have been by now. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 09:15, November 19, 2013 (UTC)
Aah, good point. I went looking and wasn't able to find any sources for this information myself, but didn't want to delete it outright since I know that textual resources about the Mohawk people are limited. Still, your right that this statement has been unqualified for a while. Out it goes then, or is there a procedure that should be followed here?
Molotov.cockroach (talk) 16:08, November 19, 2013 (UTC)
Well typically, if information is still unsourced after three months, I remove it; that's the same length of time I give for {{Spoilerhd}}. That's about as far as our procedure tends to go in this matter. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 16:21, November 19, 2013 (UTC)
All right then, sounds good. Out it goes!
Molotov.cockroach (talk) 16:34, November 19, 2013 (UTC)


I know Connor never took on the title of Mentor, but with Achilles's death, didn't he take over as leader of the Colonial Assassin's? In the Aveline DLC, he seems to have taken charge, giving Aveline an assignment on Goat Island. It would appear he is the only person left to lead the Assassin's with his Mentor dead. Toolen (talk) 18:49, December 19, 2013 (UTC)

Even before Achilles' death he was giving orders to Assassins. He told them to go to the various colonies to fight the Templars, spread word of the Declaration of Independence, protect fishing boats from the British Navy, and menagerie of every tasks. --Revan's Exile (talk) 23:58, December 19, 2013 (UTC)

True, as he was the accomplice of Achilles. Maybe he assumed the position of an Assassin leader sometime after Achilles' death. -- AgentG-sig.png AgentG-talk.png 06:32, December 20, 2013 (UTC)
Maybe is the key word here. Maybe he took over, but maybe he didn't. Until we have confirmation either way, any such information being included in the article will be treated as speculation. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 09:09, December 20, 2013 (UTC)

Question: I really want to know what happened to connor after AC3 (and please, don't give me a answer like "it's in tublr now, please >:), and if you were the lead writer of that game,  you would change something in the final product?

DARBY: The Aveline content in AC4 gives hints about what Connor is up to, post AC3... he's busy at the Homestead, building a community and rebuilding the Assassin order in the Colonies. I do hope we can fill in his story a little more somehow.

This do show that he is either the de facto mentor of colonial assassins or mentor, but he is some form of leader. We just don't know what kind, just waith for a confirmation. Until then everything is speculation.--ACsenior (talk) 11:58, December 20, 2013 (UTC)

It confirms nothing of the sort; it simply says he is rebuilding. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 13:13, December 20, 2013 (UTC)

Haytham and Birch

"...Connor recovered Haytham's journal and read of his father's tragic childhood and lifetime of betrayal..."

Does this mean that Connor learned of the truth about Birch ordering the mercenary attack in which Edward was killed, and that his path into the templar order was "paved with lies"? Also does this appear in any media at all? I'm sure it is not in the game or forsaken, as far as I can tell from the page. Gr1m r4p3r (talk) 21:47, January 22, 2014 (UTC)

It's in Forsaken, and I should assume that Connor was aware of Birch's treachery and Edward's death. --Crimson Knight Intercom 21:44, January 22, 2014 (UTC)


Since i'm just a contributor, could someone add him to the "Hunters" category.-- 19:14, February 16, 2014 (UTC)

Done. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 19:40, February 16, 2014 (UTC)

Le Image Vote

What we have here, is another infobox image vote. This time the fight's between the Initiates render, and one recently made by yours truly. Leaving it open for a week. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 18:53, April 27, 2014 (UTC)


Current render

  1. Looks better than the new render to me, even if the resolution isn't quite as high. Crook The Constantine District 18:59, April 27, 2014 (UTC)
  2. --Crimson Knight Intercom 19:08, April 27, 2014 (UTC)
  3. --MB543 (talk) 19:25, April 27, 2014 (UTC)MB543
  4. The new one looks like something out of Uplay. Stormbeast The Helpful Place 20:43, April 27, 2014 (UTC)
  5. Current oneJ0k3r 19:06, April 27, 2014 (UTC)Joker0002710
  6. --Revan's Exile (talk) 23:18, April 27, 2014 (UTC)
  7. --AgentG-sig.png AgentG-talk.png 23:21, April 27, 2014 (UTC)
  8. --ACsenior (talk) 14:30, April 28, 2014 (UTC)
  9. --Current render has more impact. The new one clearly looks like a 3D model – not that inspiring for a protagonist.Slate Vesper (talk) 20:26, April 28, 2014 (UTC)

New render

  1. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 18:53, April 27, 2014 (UTC)
  2. I actually prefer this one. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 01:25, April 28, 2014 (UTC)

Current render stays, with the outcome of 8 to 2. Ya bastards. Not counting Joker's vote since there was some confusion where that actually was supposed to go. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 20:36, May 21, 2014 (UTC)

Connor Kenway

Page name change to Connor Kenway? It's his new name after all. 17:33, June 16, 2014 (UTC)

Connor never adopted his father's surname. Stormbeast The Helpful Place 17:34, June 16, 2014 (UTC)
As Storm said; "Ratonhnhaké:ton" is his real name, "Connor" is a pseudonym, "Connor Kenway" is a fiction cooked up by the advertising department. Another reason why it would be nice to know how Connor's story ends - I'm gonna guess his children had Davenport as a surname. Either that or they took the surname of Connor's wife? Crook The Constantine District 17:39, June 16, 2014 (UTC)
He's far more likely to have taken his father's surname. At least, that's how I have it playing out in my head. --Crimson Knight Intercom 17:42, June 16, 2014 (UTC)
Maybe... in which case, if it were confirmed that he raised his children as "Kenways", should he be called Connor Kenway? Ratonhnhaké:ton Kenway? Just Connor? I'm genuinely curious now.
I just went with Davenport cause Achilles felt like more of a father to Connor than Haytham. I do like "Kenway" more than "Davenport" though. Crook The Constantine District 17:47, June 16, 2014 (UTC)
Eseosa said he had been contacted by a man named Connor, so it's apparent even by 1804 he had still not taken on a surname, otherwise he would have signed his letter to Haiti as "Connor [Surname]". --Alientraveller (talk) 17:49, June 16, 2014 (UTC)
Hmm, nearly 50 years old. I'd wager he'd have kids by then, but then, Ezio only met Sofia at the age of 51 (right?). I would have imagined Connor to have taken some form of surname, but maybe he didn't. I guess that's interesting in its own way :) Crook The Constantine District 17:53, June 16, 2014 (UTC)
Well Ezio had fathered (I imagine plenty of) children by then! --Alientraveller (talk) 17:55, June 16, 2014 (UTC)
True dat. I don't think Connor's that type of guy though :P I think he'd find a woman (kudos to whoever that turned out to be, cause Connor seems like a very difficult guy to approach, not to mention get close to) and stick with her. Crook The Constantine District 18:00, June 16, 2014 (UTC)
His name is simply Connor; even if his children take the name "Kenway", that does not mean he has decided to become "Connor Kenway", only that he has decided to name his children as such. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 23:45, June 16, 2014 (UTC)

[Hornigold]Oh for fuck's sake.[/Hornigold] Does this really have to come up over, and over, and over again? --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 23:56, June 16, 2014 (UTC)

I don't think it would be too hard to incorporate Kenway into the article without pissing all the puritans off. "Ratonhnhaké:ton, often known by the adopted name of Connor Kenway," isn't entirely inaccurate. By this point, he's been called Kenway a lot, so yes, he has been known by the name Connor Kenway. Sure, we don't know if he adopted the surname, but just removing one word isn't too demanding. --Crimson Knight Intercom 20:48, December 5, 2014 (UTC)

Still, so far he's been called that by Abstergo people and in the data yoinked from Abstergo. So I'd hold off on that. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 20:51, December 5, 2014 (UTC)
Just pointing out that "He was never called Kenway!" isn't valid anymore. In my opinion, if he's called Kenway in the historic portions of the game, or he calls himself a Kenway (though I have little faith that we'll see him again in any form, given that Ezio's story was wrapped up in the amount of time we've had since Connor appeared), then it would be fair to reflect that in the article. --Crimson Knight Intercom 20:54, December 5, 2014 (UTC)

Crossing of the Delaware

Where in George Washington's notebook does it mention Connor accompanying Washington on the crossing of the Delaware? I just took a glance through its article myself (I do not have my actual copy with me), and it only seems to mention Connor on the first page. -- Master Sima Yi Clogs 21:56, July 23, 2014 (UTC)

He's pictured, not to mention Washington wrote "My men are all asking who is this man crossing the Delaware at my side. Obviously, it is impossible to tell them anything." I recall someone uploaded all the images from the notebook without copyright notices so they all got deleted. --Alientraveller (talk) 21:59, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
Pictured in the notebook, or are you referring to those pictures of Connor photoshopped into Washington Crossing the Delaware; or are they the same? Anyway, I stopped glancing through it at "Benedict Arnold", so my mistake. Answer suffices! -- Master Sima Yi Clogs 22:19, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
Yes, that photoshopped image is the one Ubisoft used in the notebook. --Alientraveller (talk) 22:43, July 23, 2014 (UTC)

Connor's unfortunate ending?

According to Melanie, Connor married a blonde woman later on in his life. Then she goes on to say that something goes wrong in the relationship, causing Connor's wife to leave him, leaving Connor to die a lonely death.

Anyone think that this is one of Abstergo's way of belittling the Assassins of the past just for kicks, or could this be a forshadowing of Connor's ending? 

It's like Ubisoft is trying to make Connor's story more depressing as it already is. 06:21, November 19, 2014 (UTC)Solomano

Firstly the tablet where she talked about Connor didn't mention his wife being blonde so where did that come from? But to your main point "What a mess" could mean a number of things, I reversed an edit where someone thought it meant a very violent death and it could mean anything from that to it being boringly ordinary, also I get the feeling Melanie simply didn't like Connor's wife, certainly nothing about her leaving him and I've dug up pretty much everything that can be found in Rogue.  Gboy4 (talk) 00:35, November 21, 2014 (UTC)

The section that anon is talking about is a detail found in the Abstergo Handbook that is on sale right now. Assassin's Creed Unity: Abstergo Entertainment:Employee Handbook But those words are twisted by Abstergo propaganda, so I wouldn't take that part seriously. However his wife is a blonde, that is sure, as there is no real reason to twist this fact. 16:34, November 21, 2014 (UTC)

Justice, not revenge

I made a minor change in the Personality section. Its been stated many times by the developers that Connor seeked justice, as well as safety, for the attack on his tribe, towards the Templars whom he used to believe that they were responsible for. Ezio was about revenge, not Connor. Its been stated in the Making Of Assassin's Creed 3 videos, as well as in the game numerous times, in case you don't believe me.Mr.DarkBlade (talk) 06:49, March 7, 2015 (UTC)

Did you even play the game? Templars did not attack his village during the Seven Years' War, Washington's forces did. Connor just made the connection himself, and purused Lee with blind vengeance for the death of his mother. That's not "seeking justice" if he pursued the wrong person. And even after he learned Washington was responsible, he didn't try to kill him, he continued chasing after Lee. That also doesn't fit the concept of "justice" in any way. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 16:03, March 7, 2015 (UTC)
Yes I did. But it looks like to me that you did not pay attention to my last post.
If you read my post, I emphisised "towards the Templars whom he used to believe that they were responsible for." For that time period, HE THOUGHT THEY DID IT. For that, he went after them for their "crimes". It wasn't blind revenge, since he wasn't aware of Washington's actions. He still continued to pursue Lee since he is a threat. It no longer became justice after he learned of Washington's actions, but rather for the safety of all since Lee was still a threat to the people of the land, since he would force his Templar views upon the land, an action that is injust. Connor is against injustice, hence why he killed him. He didn't go after Washington since he knew that as the newly elected president of the United States, killing him for the sake of selfish vengeance is wrong, for that will cause chaos and panic for the people and the newly formed government there. "OMG someone killed Washington!!!" Plus, history showed that he died on his deathbed many years later due to an infection, so Connor assassinating him by that point doesn't make sense either.
If you watch the video , The Making of Assassin's Creed 3 right here: at 0:53, it proves my point even further.  Mr.DarkBlade (talk) 07:28, March 8, 2015 (UTC)

Master Assassin

In the Master Assassins page Connor is mentioned as one. If this is true then shouldn't it be mentioned in his page that he becomes a Master Assassin at some point in his life?Suhail Numaan (talk) 16:59, March 14, 2015 (UTC)Suhail Numaan 

It's not true. The cited source (Assassin's Creed III) never sees Connor gain the rank of Master Assassin, so I've removed it from the MA article. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 15:07, March 15, 2015 (UTC)

That's because Assassin's Creed III isn't the source in any case. Fairly certain he's referred to as a Master Assassin in Black Flag and/or Unity. I'll check in a bit. -- Master Sima Yi Clogs 15:09, March 15, 2015 (UTC)

Both Black Flag and Unity refer to Connor as a Master Assassin, in the descriptions of his outfit. -- Master Sima Yi Clogs 15:26, March 15, 2015 (UTC)

So should we mention it in both the pages?Suhail Numaan (talk) 15:29, March 15, 2015 (UTC)Suhail Numaan

It would make sense, since Connor was the only assassin in the colonies at the time. (UTC)Solomano67.20.31.121 03:29, August 11, 2015 (UTC)