i think that she is a templar agent because of what that guy said at the final truth
Hey everyone. I got a question. At the end of AC:Botherhood Desmond stabbed Lucy when Juno was controlling him. Was she a Templar Agent posing to be an assassin? cause juno said there is one among you that doesnt belong (something like that) and she also said something like "the black cross surrounds her". Can anyone help me figure this out?
~theshadowassassin~(Theshadowassassin 04:45, March 3, 2011 (UTC))
Viddic wouldn't want her dead if she was working for the templars, and I recall nothing of what you said, Juno got Desmond to stab Lucy cause he was a distraction is whats been gathered from her words so far Zachariah Zuan 08:31, March 3, 2011 (UTC)
well i couldnt remember wut she said cause i only seen the end like two times but i remember juno saying something like that.
Theshadowassassin 22:19, March 3, 2011 (UTC)
i just read junos page and it said she lies not within our sights wut does that mean then she must be a templar agent
Theshadowassassin 23:24, March 3, 2011 (UTC)
it means she's not important to them.... thats all Zachariah Zuan 14:43, March 4, 2011 (UTC)
Well she was usefull for both sides. Blix1ms0ns 23:42, March 5, 2011 (UTC)
how so? Zachariah Zuan 20:27, March 6, 2011 (UTC)
Well she did worked with Dr. Vidic on his Animus project and she did helped Desmond escape. Blix1ms0ns 23:26, March 6, 2011 (UTC)
Shaun says that she is born into the brotherhood, so, she is an Assassin. And, if she is really a Templar, why she killed the two Abstergo guards? Darkmosconi97 01:11, March 7, 2011 (UTC)
to be fair Daneil Cross was a born assassin (by blood not upbringing) but your right Dark she was an agent for the Assassins Zachariah Zuan 07:43, March 7, 2011 (UTC)
Blood does not determine allegiance. One of Desmond's ancestor was a former templar. Why didn't Lucy sabotage the animus project? http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Maria_Thorpe
--Blix1ms0ns 03:02, March 9, 2011 (UTC)
I personally don't think Lucy is a templar. There would be no point of her spending all those years undercover watching the subjects, then escaping with Desmond, killing abstergo guards, escaping again (when the templars found the hideout), going and hiding in the sanctuary and only allowing Desmond to go out at certain times. Plus she's in contact with William M, and then there's the whole eagle vision thing (she shows up blue). 220.127.116.11 21:55, March 13, 2011 (UTC) - Kaity007 (can't be bothered signing in atm)
First of all, Maria Thorpe is not Desmond ancestor, Altaïr is his ancestor, just because she had a child from Altaïr doesn't mean that she became an ancestor for Desmond. I don't think that Lucy is a templar agent and Kaithy007 answered why.
Omegaplib 20:46, March 13, 2011 (UTC)
yeah...she is his ancestor.. of course she is o.o any member of Desmonds family is an ancestor.. but yeah Lucy's not a templar Zachariah Zuan 00:35, March 14, 2011 (UTC)
Yes, Maria is Desmond's ancestor but she wasn't BORN into the brotherhood, she was BORN as a templar, at least I assume, Altair was BORN, Mario was BORN and Ezio was BORN into the Brotherhood!
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If Lucy was a templar agent why would she break desmond out of abstergo?
18.104.22.168 00:32, April 27, 2011 (UTC)
[This is pretty long, sorry.]
Maybe Vidics just a genius and can tell the future. Hiding something, like the bad guys usually do. Maybe Lucy is just part of a giant plan. Afterall, templars can be pretty damn ruthless -.-' But I'm just prattling, running my mind. Maybe these late nights are just getting to me. Lucy breaking Desmond out, could just be part of the plan. As people have said before, maybe Lucy is a double agent. Supposedly ditched the templars and joined the Assassins, then, when everyone least expects it, she comes out and says 'Oh, yeah. I forgot to tell you guys, I'm a templar, in about 5 seconds all you guys are gonna die and like, we're gonna rule the world. So, nice knowing you guys. It's been fun, but this is where we say goodbye.' Right about now is when I go nuts and run off on a rainbow of unicorn poop. MAYBE, just MAYBE. Lucy dies. We know how Desmond would react, correct? Of course, his faint might not have been brought on by the implied "death" of Lucy Stillman, it might've just been from being under the power of a PoE. However Juno made it very clear that Lucy was a distraction...unless by some strange happenings, it's Rebecca, and they've been hitting it off behind the scenes, or maybe Shauns a tranny, or they just got Desmond mixed up with another Desmond. I mean, bartenders (in New York was it?) by the name of Desmond must be pretty popular.
But, that's just whats been going through my mind lately. Evil, evil plans. Nothing is True, Everything is Permitted. 12:20, April 27, 2011 (UTC)
I dunno, i doubt that she was a templar agent. If we go all the way back to the first insallment of AC, when Desmond aquires Eagle Vision, we see Vidic shown in red, and Stillman in blue. So that kinda rules out the option of Lucy being a Templar.
RolloverDj 06:41, April 29, 2011 (UTC)
well first of all rolloverdj in AC1 Al Mualim was blue in eagle vision until you found out his real intentions but I really dont think she is a templar because if she was apart of a big templar plan like the guy a couple posts above said well the templars obviously wouldnt take the chance that desmond might just run away in the middle of the night
22.214.171.124 23:22, April 29, 2011 (UTC)
Okay I'm pretty sure I figured this part out. Lucy was born a templar but is really on the side of the assassins. How else was she able to work for Abstergo and have a high degree of responiblity without actually proving shes part of the Templars? She is like Maria from AC1, who was also born a templar but ends up on the assassins' side. It wouldnt surprise me if we find out that Ezio eventually ends up with a girl with templar blood and has a baby with her. When Juno says that the cross darkens the horizon she saying that Desmond is full of templar blood. Juno does not want Desmond to have a baby with Lucy and taint the assassin gene further. Juno wants Desmond to find a desendent of Eve (find a girl with assassin blood) and therefore "balance the scales". This is why Juno forces him to kill Lucy.
126.96.36.199 00:28, April 30th, 2011 (UTC)
That's a pretty interesting theory. I like it. I hope that turns out to be the case, or something close to it because Lucy being a Templar in disguise, backstabbing the Assassins would be very lame, and not to mention predictable. Good job on figuring that out. Aegis Runestone 22:22, July 5, 2011 (UTC)
Lucy is played by Kristen Bell, a holloywood movie star who is interested in working in hollywood movies. Committing to a video game series is a bit of a step back from ``Forgetting Sarah Marshall``. She probably asked to be written out of the series so she can pursue more serious work, and the writers couldn`t write a more credible ending for Lucy.
July 5, 2011 (UTC)
@the above guy Proof or GTFO
I'm stuck in the middle concerning this because si much mystery still surrounds Lucy. She said she had been searching for answers (including the vaults) her entire life, but she's only 24 years old. How would travelling the world and discovering these things be possible for an underaged child unless she was in some kind of anime show? She managed to get her hands on the Animus core without ANY resistance--how could that happen? It's already been discussed that the color a person turns is determined by how the Assassin (Desmond, Ezio, Altair) feels about the person. Lucy knows a LOT more about what's going on between the Assassins and Templars, but she doesn't tell Desmond anything--why? Juno may have been referring to Daniel Cross when she said, "The Cross darkens the horizon." Maybe she was talking about Lucy, but Cross isn't capitalized for nothing. Patrice Desilets said Desmond's story would take an interesting turn--this may be that point where it takes a pivotal turn. No one would expect Lucy to die because she was one of the main characters. No one expected Desmond would be fighting to piece together his mind. UbiSoft has been doing some atypical stuff with this series, twisting history and etc. Of course everyone is going to want Lucy to live and she and Desmond fall in love. They know how to draw people in and they have succeeded. Plus, the guy who said that Kristen Bell probably wanted out is probably right, on top of the fact that Patrice wanted it to end with her that way. But now that the director has changed to Alex Amancio, we may see Lucy survive, although I believe that her chances are slim (super long sharp blade+ thin shirt no armor=death) We will find out eventually. Strang3Happ3nings 03:27, July 6, 2011 (UTC)
Lucy wasn't speaking literally when she said all her life. If she had a mentor or parents who were assassins who brought her up to learn how to infiltrate, and travelled a lot, that would make what she said make sense. Lucy took the Animus core with no resistance because she looped the footage, which she learned how to do sometime in the 7 years she was undercover at abstergo.
As to the possibility of her surviving, if you are given medical aid, it is conceivably possible to recover from being stabbed completely through quickly as long as you have excellent modern medical care and the stab wound did not puncture an organ. Heck, if it didn't puncture an organ, the care doesn't need to be that good. Ezio and Altair generally killed guards by spearing them through a vital organ from the back or front, and then leaving them on a rooftop with no medical care in a time where people were generally dirty and got infections from open wounds a lot, and the medical care that did exist sucked.
It's not a question of having armor on, since if the armor is peirced, it doesn't really do much.188.8.131.52 06:07, July 6, 2011 (UTC)
They were far below the surface in that vault when he stabbed her. It would have taken some time for anyone to get to them. And even if he hadn't stabbed her in a vital organ, she could still die. It's called internal bleeding. And I'm not being sarcastic, so please don't get offended. I'm pretty sure the Assassins weren't prepared for someone to be run through with a blade, so the medical attention, if at all, was probably not gauze pads, anesthetics and needles and thread. And she was bleeding pretty fast in that video. And I noticed her eyes were wide open and not blinking; Dezzie's eyes were closed because he had passed out. Her hand was not on the Apple and you have to make some sort of contact with it to make it work. That shirt she was wearing was skin tight and pretty thin. The guards in the game had some armor and more clothes on than she did and they still died after one stab. This is all speculation, but UbiSoft tends to be realistic with everything they put in the game (ragdoll physics, swimming, crowd reactions, etc.) Strang3Happ3nings 07:05, July 6, 2011 (UTC)
Eagle Vision is when using the information from the person using eagle vision to figure out out enemy, nuetrals and allies so yea in assassin's creed 1 where Altaiir looks in eagle vision at Al Mualim he is shown as an ally but at the very end when he De Sable reveals to Altaiir that Al Mualim is a templar he then had recieved more information about Al Mualim which changes his stance to what Al Mualim is, which is a templar.
also you know that serveilance van that rebecca kept talking about ? what if it wasn't the templars but the assassins how other way could they find where they are, get Lucy medical attention and Desmond back in the Animus since none of them told the other assassin's where they were going.
Hassanbarakat 08:00, July 6, 2011 (UTC)
I think that Altair didn't see Al Mualim as an enemy because Al Mualim bore him no ill will at that time. He didn't want him dead untill he had killed Robert.
Also I agree about the surveilance team, I think it was implied that an Assassin retrieval team was on the way when they were getting the apple, and I'd bet that fully trained and fully kitted out modern day assassins have their ways of getting in and out of places quickly, and that they had enough medical gear to at least try to stabililize Lucy. Someone mentioned ragdoll physics as being something Ubisoft was good at, but quite honestly, Assassin's Creed dead body physics are horrible. Just watch a bloopers video. Ubisoft hsn't been totally realistic with all facets of the game, such as being able to stab right through the armor of heavy guards. If Ezio can stab through that much armor, would lucy really have been helped by wearing any? A blade doesn't do less damage because it had to cut through armor to get to you.184.108.40.206 08:23, July 6, 2011 (UTC)
Also, Ezio was stabbed in the same general area by an Orsini brother, and then later Rodrigo. He survived, despite being in the hills where it mustve taken a long time for him to get any medical attention the first time,a nd recieving none the second.220.127.116.11 08:26, July 6, 2011 (UTC)
It was "The cross darkens the horizon".Not "the black cross surrounds her".
I agree with the guy above (he didn't sign his post) and if she really said "The black cross surrounds her" instead of "The cross darkens the horizon" that would mean Lucy was a Knights Teutonic, and not a TemplarEziodragon 15:14, July 6, 2011 (UTC)
maria was not born a templar!!! damnit, she was born english royalty and ran away seeking adventure, teamed u with robert de sable and joined the templar movement... dont yall read? man master simi and the others put all this time and effort inta these wikis, all the info there for you, just read!
- but i wondered if lucy was a templar at the very beginning along with that smartass shaun. not so much rebecca, but hey she cud be too. really its hard ta tell the loyalty of anyone who wont born in. (and please dont mention cross, thats different he was drugged or watever by those templar bastards.)
- i personally dont know if lucy is templar, or nothing at all, but we can all buy revealations in november and find out. all the speculation is really a waste of time. and even if she is a templar, that dont mean she was born inta it. Valogan2 08:00, July 17, 2011 (UTC)
me personally think that Lucy is a templar. Why did she break out Desmond?? Maybe is just an act, you never know how tricky those templars are, even Al Mualim was a templar. Also if you finish The Truth data, Subject 16 warn Desmond that "she is not what you think she is......" he never said who but i think i quite obvious. BrianCousland 19:55, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
I'd agree if Juno herself didn't have a shady history. Juno was known for disliking Jupiter or whoever her husband is supposed to be and his half-bred children, even going so far as trying to kill them in mythology. Subject 16 could be talking about Juno, not Lucy. However, Juno is helping Desmond regain consciousness by inducing a coma with shock and if her purpose was to kill all hybrid humans, then she'd be working against herself. But her intention could be to have a pure line of superhumans so that they could reign again. The "she" Subject 16 refers to could be Leila Marino for all we know. There is very little information about who she is and what happened surrounding her death. Why? Subject 16 obviously knows something that we the gamers do not. (my only question about Subject 16 though is how can he manage to help Desmond so precisely in the Black Room as if he knew how everything was going to happen? Freaky.) Juno knows more than we do, Minerva knows more than we do, and who's to say we won't see another superhuman in this game? As said in the first reveal, Revelations will explain everything that has happened when it comes out in about 2 months. Strang3Happ3nings 14:50, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
I don't think that Lucy was a Templar. I think the possible reason Juno had Lucy killed was to insure Desmond was put in the Animus while in a coma, dropping him into the Black Room. I think that Desmond is going to find something in the Black Room that will help him, such as a special ability, or even a bit of information. But seeing how protective Lucy is of Desmond, it would be highly unlikely that she would let him be put in the Animus while in a coma. So Juno had Desmond kill her, or at least incapacitate her for awhile. Wunderkind67 21:02, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
While she did seem protective of Desmond, she also seemed to be hiding a lot from him. He's grown, he can deal with some bad news about whatever's going on. The way she seemed protective was almost like a "protect the subject" kind of defense. It's too soon to say that they are or were in love. Like, maybe, but not love. Desmond's only friend besides Shaun and Rebecca was her, who he spent more time with at Abstergo. Strang3Happ3nings 00:20, September 28, 2011 (UTC)