I will not spoil anything but it seems Ubisoft likes these mindf*ck endings as for Desmond I don´t think its the last we´ve seen of him even though what happened to him.  Kryptonian25 (talk) 00:52, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

Can't say any more yet, due to spoilers but bad news for Desmond. I for one am not happy with the ending but otherwise it is a great game. Shame the ending stunk though. ► Kaloneous ◄ _{♣^HelpDesk♣} 01:28, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

I like Ubisoft´s approach I was initially apprehensive but from the ending we can guess what the next storyline is. Its only my theory but we haven´t seen the last of Desmond. Kryptonian25 (talk) 01:30, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

I've seen the ending many times, and although I'm not particularly happy with it, like Kal, I kinda understand what Ubisoft's trying to pull. They said many times that AC3 ends Dez's story (yes, I call him Dez, deal with it), but the story of Assassins v. Templars will go on. I suppose they're tring to pull an Inception on us; a story/stories within another story within even bigger stories. Altair, Ezio, and Connor were small parts of Dez's story, and Dez's story is just another small part of the Assassins v. Templars story. ZBlue0 (talk) 02:11, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

Yeh know i know what you mean but they couldve done the other option and set it up for someone else in the future to find out about desmond and the templar-assassins, but anyway ubisoft a few weeks ago put out job position for the next ac game, so the story will continue:)Ezio Kenway (talk) 02:18, November 1, 2012 (UTC)Ezio Kenway

Maybe I should make myself clear. I hate the ending, it stinks, it makes me want to never play an AC game again and I doubt I ever will, it is (fact it is) a retcon, and it negates many important plots/storylines set out in previous games. There will be a blog about this in time, and the shear continuity errors is astounding. ► Kaloneous ◄ _{♣^HelpDesk♣} 02:22, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

  Alex Hutchinson did liken the AC series to Star Trek. Desmond's story is just an arc of a bigger story. True, he played a major role in contact with TCWB and his ancestors were in key moments in history, but he's not the only Assassin with a special bloodline. Inception was downright confusing and they didn't play by the rules the entire movie, but it was good. I've spent hours talking to my sister about it. Anyway, back to AC, they said AC 3 was 90% a new game, as in the format of the game will be seen in future AC games. As far as Connor's story is concerned, they said it's all inclusive, so we may not be playing as him again unless it's a (heaven forbid) DLC. Plus, given the circumstances at the end of the game, how would that be possible? Desmond's story is done. TranquilTempest^{Qu'est-ce que c'est?} 02:25, November 1, 2012 (UTC)   

What about the Master Templars, they never got to that but I´m still an AC fan through and through no matter what happens I will stick with it. Don´t stress Kal I´m they will explain everything...maybe. Kryptonian25 (talk) 02:26, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

They'll put out a DLC. Assassin's Creed III: Extended Cut. Sound familiar? -______- TranquilTempest^{Qu'est-ce que c'est?} 02:29, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

They will never explain everything. It is a franchise now. That means money. You met a Master Templar, Daniel Cross... what a badass he turned out to be right?... I'm going to stop here because I'm getting annoyed again. ► Kaloneous ◄ _{♣^HelpDesk♣} 02:30, November 1, 2012 (UTC)   

Yeh i agree with kal they should explain something of itEzio Kenway (talk) 02:31, November 1, 2012 (UTC)Ezio Kenway

Just to clarify, I think the game is awesome, but the ending makes me want to not follow the series anymore. ► Kaloneous ◄ _{♣^HelpDesk♣} 02:32, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

I thought the ancestry was well done I only wish they paid more attention the central character than the ancestor. But they said they take the fans opinion seriously. I´m sure the ending was for a good reason. Though I think they should wait two years before getting out another game. Kryptonian25 (talk) 02:36, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with Kaloneous and Krypto...it was a good game. I like Connor's character; he was very believable as a hotheaded, naive Assassin. Haytham was actually quite entertaining. Actually, the only reason I care for AC 3 is the historical setting; they did a really good job on that part....Fan opinion: hang hiiiiim! (As in Desmond). They could have done much better in redeeming him as a character. He ran away at 16 because he didn't want to be an Assassin. Oh boohoo...then he views the memories of people (Altair, Ezio, Connor) with way more to run away from yet they bit the bullet and became Assassins. He gets to piggyback on their abilities to become a super Assassin and then it ends the way it did. I liked Desmond, I really did, but his character could've been way more dynamic. 5 years of anticipation for....that. I'll probably never touch an AC game again unless it's solely based in the past. TranquilTempest^{Qu'est-ce que c'est?} 02:45, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, that I do not really understand what Ubisoft, Corey May, Alex Hutchinson or the team were thinking, unless there is a choice there based on decisions or play style or something. Otherwise it seems to be pretty obvious pandering to a change to the franchise.

Like BioWare wanting to end the Reaper arc, the whole idea of sequels like this is killing the "existing" story and paving way for a new one set within this universe. Based on this ending they have essentially tied up Assassins Creed as we know it. Desmond is dead, the world is saved, and the first civilisation has fulfilled its purpose. The story has come to and completed its climax.

But at the same time its built a new series based around what’s-her-face ruling over mankind. That allows them to keep it in the same universe but have a new story with a new narrative, new purpose, new themes and new climax.

Problem is...that is kind of a big deal. That is a really, really big "thing" to end your first series on and really transparent framework for the next one. And that is kind of crappy.

The ending was not bad, it just was not satisfying. Supposedly the same main team who did AC2 wrote this were on the AC3 team but the ending was not as good as the previous games. The previous games had more dramatic ending, this ending just cut off after Desmond collapsed to the ground. Ubisoft says this will wrap up Desmonds story, and after 4 games of playing him and understanding him and connecting with him, he just collapses and dies. It’s like watching a TV show and they kill off a main character out of nowhere. In truth, I feel like hanging up my spurs and calling it a day… that ending… The ending was quite anti-climactic for Desmond, I expected Ubisoft to have more respect for Desmonds character after investing so much time and effort on his story, it seems like they rushed it so much they did not even finish the ending, they just cut it off because they ran out of ideas and did not want to push back the release date of the game.

It’s just that after years of investing into Desmonds story and history they completely crapped on him. You would think he would die fighting somebody, being ambushed by Abstergo in the vault and fighting Daniel Cross or a high ranking Templar with weapons made from The Ones Who Came Before technology, something like that. Then they could show Vidic touching the orb and dying. That would be something more acceptable to me then Desmond just being barbecued.

ACR DLC had better ending than AC3. It showed Lucy officially as a Templar and officially showed Daniel Cross for the first time away from comics. They killed him off in AC3 though, after all that build up. Cross vs. Desmond should have fleshed out between them more, it started and ended in a few cut scenes in AC3 and Desmond only won because of the bleeding effect. In the game even if you eliminate all the guards and let Daniel do his running around thing, he will just do that. I spent 15 minutes just watching him do it while firing off a few random shots... it truth it reminded me of the Templar Agent assassination of the Smuggler in ACB but no desyncronization... running around from obstacle to obstacle shouting words that just repeat themselves if you leave him to it.

They don’t even show the world getting saved or enslaved; you can’t say they explained the outcome in any meaningful way. Obviously they are going to make an AC4 no surprise there, they stated there would be more games! So no enslavement to the Templars! Regardless of Juno/Minerva, the solar flare would not destroy the planet and we all knew that.

How can anyone at Ubi consider Desmonds character so meaningless? We have been playing him for 4 games, he was very important. He was never meant to be a saviour of the world, but after all that is invested they just did a 4 second barbeque on him. Less important characters in the AC series has had a better ending than Desmond. ► Kaloneous ◄ _{♣^HelpDesk♣} 02:51, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

My thoughts on the ending are in the spoilerbox, be warned it contains heavy spoilers. ► Kaloneous ◄ _{♣^HelpDesk♣} 02:52, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

I guess this could be like a part 1 style Assassins creed ending, with the next games being part 2 or series1 or 2? Just a thought. Ezio Kenway (talk) 03:16, November 1, 2012 (UTC)Ezio Kenway

I am an optimist Kal, I feel they did that all for a reason but I agree things could have been better you would think there would an epic Desmond vs Cross fight these two powerful people fighting. 5 years building up a character some people didn´t like Revelations but the ending was better than this one. From your mouth to their ears! I know the ending is supposed to lead to a new storyline but they could have been worked it out better. I think we haven´t seen the last of Desmond, they did say AC3 would wrap up his storyline but you never know if a higher up decides to change their minds. I don´t know! Like I said Ubisoft loves to mindfuck the fans. Kryptonian25 (talk) 03:22, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

Perhaps Desmond was viewing how it would've ended through use of the Apple as he did when considering the consequences if Lucy had lived after finding the vault under the Colosseo...but I doubt they'd bring Desmond back just to anger the fans who wanted him gone for so long...TranquilTempest^{Qu'est-ce que c'est?} 03:52, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

I know it seems a little harsh, but the ending doesn't really bother me so much. I've never truly paid attention to the Modern story with Desmond, to be honest, I often questioned why it was even there. Is it weird? Is it sloppy? Yes...But I found the main appeal in Assassins Creed was in the ancestors anyway, and as bad as it seemed, I really just went along with whatever the felt like doing with Desmond...Though I'll admit, this is pushing it quite a bit. TheMasterLocke (talk) 05:28, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

out of curiosity i peeked at some youtube vids for the ending

and as a mass effect guy who also had interests in this franchise, all i can say is this:

WTF DID I JUST WATCH.

i can see two possible things that can come out of this once most gamers experienced AC3's ending for themselves.

1. widespread internet nerdrage bordering ME3 levels

2. ubisoft backtracks and makes assassin's creed III: colon cancer titles. you know, to "more conclusively end" desmond's story and still keep the series a "trilogy" despite having numerous titles marketed as separate games. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 04:13, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

They will ignore it for a few weeks and address it on one of there YouTube channels... This is the ending we got... sadly. ► Kaloneous ◄ _{♣^HelpDesk♣} 04:35, November 1, 2012 (UTC) 

ULTIMATE SPOILERS BE WARNED!!!!I thin that the ending was satisfactory,rater than rebootng the whole cycle of human development and becoming a god,desmond made a right choice to let juno rule and preserve modern technoloagy.Cant disagree on Kaloneous's view tho .Desmond's fight with cross wass disappointing as HELL.ALso desmond wasnt given a epic fight or ending,BOO,assassins creed 3 deserves the 8.5 rating by IGN.06:41, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

[waits 6 years,gets an other ME3 ending.......great!]41.97.94.202 12:59, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

Nerdrage bordering ME3-levels? Oh come on, you can't compare AC to the vast, coherent and superb universe of mass effect. While the ending of ME3 broke with everything the series stands for(coherent story and background(spacemagic out of fu'ing nowhere- yaaay), choice etc), I doubt that the ending of AC3 does something even remotely close to this -- Wotemer (talk) 13:26, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

Meaning you haven't experienced the ending for AC3. Also, to everyone else, no ME3 war on here please. ► Kaloneous ◄ _{♣^HelpDesk♣}

I don't believe in Desmond's death, because we need to back to Connor after the scene credits, no? Using the Animus and yadda yadda yadda. Maybe he is
unconscious and revisiting the connor's memories once more, maybe we will have a true conclusion via DLC, maybe.... I just don't want this shit ending... Miden (talk) 15:10, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

Miden, the end of ACR proves that wrong. The guy talking about pivots seems to imply there is someone else reliving Connor's memories though. I will save my opinion on the ending for another time... -- Master Sima Yi _Clogs 15:13, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

I can't believe Sima... That ending is so stupid, It's gets all the desmond contruction to a decent character and throw out to a window. I really, really think we will get a DLC to justify this, maybe in december 21, I don't know. Maybe (SPOILERS) we get Juno now as a new tyrant ( And she is much look alike to Rita Repulsa of Power Ranger and her's end speech to Desmond is priceless) and the Assassins need to rise as an organization against her. Because another ME3 Ending, no, thanks, but no. Miden (talk) 15:46, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

If it is someone else viewing Connor's memories, who would it be? William? Or this 'Eve' person Juno kept talking about? I have a strong feeling that she really does exist; we just don't know who or where she is. Just remember, Liberations is a storyline parallel to AC 3; there could be some things we've missed because of not having seen or played it...TranquilTempest^{Qu'est-ce que c'est?} 17:39, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

For anyone who's interested, EscoBlades uploaded a new video on Youtube where he talks about the ending. He also brings up some interesting points, such as Eve being Juno. Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZueeBqoHoo&feature=g-all-u ZBlue0 (talk) 00:13, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

If I remember correctly, in the Truth video, Juno is seen chasing Eve and Adam as they climb the unfinished building with the apple in her (Eve's) hand. Juno's reflection is on the building for just a quick second. Then he mentioned the guy at the end as being an Abstergo employee; I thought it was a member of Erudito talking to whoever it is continuing Connor's memories. And he made an interesting point about Desmond's consciousness being transferred into that globe thing. He'd be useless in there, but he's still alive, so maybe that's how we're able to view Connor's memories after the game continues. And YES, they still left us with a bunch of cliffhangers. And another thing: Shaun does all of this history dig-up; HE NEVER TOOK THE TIME TO READ UP ABOUT JUNO'S HATE FOR HUMANS???? -_____- TranquilTempest^{Qu'est-ce que c'est?} 00:37, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

That wasn't Juno's reflection in the building, it was actually Juno (or some other First Civ woman) inside the building. --Jjacobmartinn (talk) 00:40, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

Ubisoft clearly said Liberations will have nothing to do with the main AC storylineEzio Kenway (talk) 00:39, November 2, 2012 (UTC)Ezio Kenway

Dude, that game was nothing with the Desmond's story line. Liberation is a part of the main story too, like Aquilus and others minor details who don't appears in the games Miden (talk) 02:14, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

Juno is Eve? Perhaps Juno is Eve´s mother? Maybe Aita her husband was human. But interesting thing that Desmond is not dead per say more like transformed into a new form I think he will help whoever the new central character is in AC4 and I was right we have not seen the last of Desmond. Kryptonian25 (talk) 01:55, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

Yeh but there will be no things in it involving the main storyline eg.AC4

Sign your posts. I actually liked the ending. And it didn't came out of nowhere, it was building up during the game. What I don't like is the fact that all Clay's talk about Eve and Eden seems pointless and Erudito wasn't mentioned. Plus, If Ubisoft goes where I think they'll go for AC4, I don't like it. I feel it won't be as much Assassins vs Templars, but Juno vs the world. Assassinchicken (talk) 02:57, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

ooops SorryEzio Kenway (talk) 03:04, November 2, 2012 (UTC)Ezio Kenway

Liberations is a completely different character--ancestor as well as modern day user of the Animus. We still don't know if it connects to Desmond or not, but it definitely has ties to Those Who Came Before. AC 4 will have nothing to do with Desmond; his story is done. TranquilTempest^{Qu'est-ce que c'est?} 03:19, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

I liked the ending, honestly. It was good, but it wasn't entirely satisfying, they could have done better. I really hope this isn't the last Assassin's Creed game, though. Something tells me we'll be seeing more of Desmond. --SpiderSnoo (talk) 03:24, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

Sima, the page is already filled with spoilers so you might as well tell us your opinion on the ending now. Offtopic, but can someone explain the pivots, the cloud and multiplayer's Abstergo story so far? I don't have Xbox live so I'm missing these things... Assassinchicken (talk) 03:31, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

Thing is... I love spoilers. And for that very reason I watched the playthrough videos on youtube. And I was so utterly disappointed. Because this is the first game no one, NO ONE, spoke about the creed. "Nothing is true, everything is permitted." I was really looking forward to hear those words in Mohawk language. Second, Vidic is gone, and Cross is sooooooooo weeeeeeaaak. When Desmon, The Perfect Assassin and Cross, The Perfect Templar confronted each other, shouldn't it be like a true boss fight? And third, it seemed like Desmond died for nothing. So Juno could save the world all along. Then why so much shit in ACBH and ACR? (don't misunderstand, I LOVED ACBH AND ACR) Why Minerva and Jupiter did not warn Desmond about this? And why Juno did not tell him what was the plan in Brotherhood? The ending was as crappy as a b-grade action flick. I am so not playing this game anymore... Go to hell Ubisoft for screwing this game, the game which meant a lot to my views towards life, the game which taught me about free will. Go to hell. Period. Virus47 (talk) 04:37, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

Chill man, it wasn't THAT bad... Assassinchicken (talk) 05:38, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

I just had a mind blowing thought... (please note that these facts are canon to the game, and not my opinion on religion) AC has always used the first civilization to answer to biblical moments: Adam and Eve literally stole the Apple; Moses, Jesus and Peter used PoE's; and we can see other biblical tales that might be related to TOHCB. Now, if you look at the first game, Clay painted some reference to the book Revelation. And I thought, if AC myth responds to biblical tales at the begining, why not at the end? The bible speaks about the anti-christ and how it will rule during the apocalypse. Juno will rule the world after the 21/12/12 event, which many call the apocalypse. Relation between Juno and hell? Aita was her husband, god of the underworld in Etruscan mythology. We see the "mark of the beast" and references to it in the first game. And now suddenly, most of those glyphs make sense. He wasn't talking about a chip, he was talking about the beast itself. AC3 ending was there all along in front of our faces since the first game. (I am not a crazy conspiracy theorist, I'm just pointing out ideas that appear after midnight xD) Assassinchicken (talk) 06:21, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

interesting. so AC3: some snappy one-liner title is apparently definitely on the horizon. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 06:29, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

I would also like to point out that although there is no mention on Eve or Desmond's son (impossible... or is it? 0.o) Clsy did say that "it's too late to save them, everything you hope to become, everything you hold dear, its already gone" (what minerva says at the end) and that "she is not who you think she is" (he's talking about lucy, or is he? maybe he knows about Juno being a monster). So I guess that Eve and Dez son is left for the next chapter. Assassinchicken (talk) 06:39, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

Too open ended....a-freaking-gain... Desmond is dead, but now a Goddess who doesn't seem to like humanity is on the loose. The Templars and Assassin's wasted too many years fighting over the Pieces of Eden and the world was doomed anyway? There will be a AC4 and just because I love the gameplay I will buy it, but honestly Ubisoft just killed my interest in the modern day portion of the story. I think the same thing happened that in my opinion happened with Mass Effect, not the open ended part, but the bad part and that's the fact that it's so hard to create a great ending to an exceptional story. They could've easily wrapped up the story of Desmond, the solar flare and Connor. Games are falling into that pit that movies do where they keep churning out sequels and ruin the whole franchise. CoD is the biggest offender, but AC is going to move into its 6th game with AC4. Mass Effect 4 is in production, Splinter Cell has a 5th(?) game coming out when the last two were subpar compared to the originals. Not to mention so many games lately focus on gorgeous cinematic moments and leave the actual gameplay lacking. The gaming industry needs to stop trying to be Hollywood.GainesH (talk) 13:21, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

Maybe you guys are right, but I was disppointed enough when Davenport did not utter the creed once to Connor. The crappiest initiation amongst all the games. So Ubisoft better convince me with another release which actually establishes the creed again, or I am gonna play World of Warcraft. Virus47 (talk) 14:08, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

I liked the ending, everything was pretty much explained in Relevations and AC3 like they said, what happened to Ezio and Altair after the games, the Satellite would fail regardless, what would happen to Desmond and the others if the Earth was hit, why everything was hidden so well, etc. I do wish Desmond didn't die, but now the Earth is going to be enslaved and another lucky soul to stand up above all else and free the humans once more from The First Civilization. Yeah the game didn't have much patriotic spririt in it but Dear God you all sound like you just wanted everything to explode in your face while you played the game, AC is a great series, better than most out there. This was Desmond's last game because his sacrifice to save the Humans is now going to lead up to probably something much more epic in the next games. TitanGunz (talk) 20:43, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

Just finished the game a few minutes ago and the ending did not suprise me one bit. I had always joked that Desmond was gonna die or we'd receive a Mass Effect-esque type of ending, because really, what would everyone do after the world was saved? go out to eat? go home? chill? nope.

I don't like suprises, never have. So I actually read up on the ending yesterday, and it confirmed my thoughts, that this would happen. I'm trying my best not to post spoilers for the people who haven't finished it, but I was actually disturbed because I thought the game wasn't gonna have a proper ending, but once I played through the levels leading up to the ending myself, I felt a sense of relief, and a bit of pride because Connor can now move on with his life (?) and Desmond did the most selfless act to save the world by removing himself from the equation. Yeah, the whole Cross defeat was extremely weak, and no one explained to Desmond why he was talking in Russian (but WE knew why..MWA HAHA) I'm not sure what the motive was behind that, maybe Desmond was in too much of a hurry to stop and say something to him..and I understand that everyone was trying to get from one point to another but if Connor was gonna be an Assassin someone should've at least taught him the creed, that's like being a cop without knowing the Miranda rights.

But in all, I actually am satisfied with the ending, because it didn't feel like an ending. The sopranos ending felt like an ending, Embers felt like an ending, this my friends, was a cliffhanger, and I know it's not over. FIN BuonaFortuna (talk) 23:19, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

Virus47, you clearly weren't paying attention to the ending, Desmond asked William if Vidic's death would slow down Abstergo, William said unlikely so basically Vidic is easily replaceable. Desmond didn't use guns but Daniel did. Who brings a gun to a knife fight? The winner (Daniel). He had to have the bleeding effect or Desmond would in no way live. As explained by Minerva in the ending; she and Tinia did not know that Juno was still alive so how could they warn them of a threat they did not know of? Juno NEEDED Desmond to die in order to save the world, and clearly did not want to risk Desmond refusing. Also it's a game; if you really want to hear the creed in Mohawk, go find them they obviously still exist. It also is not wise to follow the ideas of people who kill others in the name of freedom or others who believe their ideas of world peace are by making everyone follow their ideas. Next time you decide go rant on a great, do your goddamn research. TitanGunz (talk) 00:54, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

The more I think about it I don't think it was just the ending that upset, but the lead up. I never felt connected to Connor. It's like his story, actually the whole of the game was told from Cliff Notes. If they had fleshed the story out quite a bit more I may have been a little less upset by the ending......slightly less. GainesH (talk) 10:43, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

I'm not telling my opinion on the ending for fear of spoilers... I will do it later, when I have time, in a blog. The absence of any mention of the Creed is indeed odd, but a bit understandable since the Assassins were practically destroyed. And, on an unrelated note, Virus, you based your life views around a game about conspiracy theories and killing lots of people? And this game taught you about free will? Err... -- Master Sima Yi _Clogs 11:09, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

• I think the logical consequence of this ending will be the exploration of the history of those-who-came-before, to understand the present motivations of Minerva and stop her. Since Desmond is dead, Assassin's Creed IV will probably follow the adventures of another assassin who must relive the lives of Adam and Eve (Or an unknown ancestor from this era) and see the war between humans and "gods". I can't wait to see it!Maxattac (talk) 18:34, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

-Spoilers- Minrva says "They will enslave you!" They. They. Also, Liberations ending: they were talking about Eve, and how she will led the war through the generaions. She did it at the beginning against TWCB, so I'm guessing her predecessor will do it again, againt Juno and the others. KaiserC (talk) 19:12, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure why everyone thinks the end of liberations is TWCB...it looks to me like a recording of the beggining of the first war where the humans are discussing the revolution - Eve then later nicks the apple? As for ACIII I was dissapointed personally, I had previously said that I reckoned one or all of TWCB were 'on ice' waiting but this really wasn't how I expected it to come about - how could Minerva predict Desmond's behaviour and geneology and manage to trace her way through Ezio, arange a Nexus (with Jupiter) but couldn't forsee that the Assassins and templars wouldn't team up before it was too late? her very messages rely on her predicting Desmond's viewing of Ezio but the relevance of her message was for humans to learn to defend the planet over 1000s of years? her comments at the end of ACIII in her debate with Juno totally override the relevance of everything in ACII. Also what happened to Jupiter/Tinia? the 'most' powerful member of the triad (not sure if this is reference in AC is just based on mythological views and his pinacle rule in ACR) has no bearing over the plot of ACIII? (I did however really like the game for its gameplay [new moves etc] scenery and economy system...but that isn't why I bought it) Assassin for the argonauts (talk) 23:13, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

I would just like to put this out ther, Ubi really should trademark Killed, Collapse, Credits. Two out of five with more games to come, there is something here. </sarcasm> --Kenzen - Talk - Blog 10:45, November 4, 2012 (UTC)

I do not think Desmond is dead yet. When he touched the globe, his hand started to glow and show those First Civilisation DNA marks and stuff. What I think is that his consciousness got transferred into that globe, thereby imprisoning Desmond within the Grand Temple. Just like Juno was before she got freed. He might still be alive. 122.176.182.33 05:46, November 7, 2012 (UTC) Jayant Bose.

I don't think Desmond is dead after all he does have a certain resistance to the first civilization technology. so he might no be dead or they might find a way to use first civilization technology to bring him back to fight Juno beacuse maybe another god "Pluto" might have had a secret backup plan just an idea. If it is the end of Desmond there is a another hope after all there were two people that escaped the first civilization. Desmond was Adams bloodline they still haven't introduced a girl maybe from Eve's bloodline (unless i missed something about the story of Adam and Eve).

-Branell Jones

Thats a bit of a stretch, mate. I don't think Desmond is alive - I think he's very much dead and I think the First Civ did that on purpose. Ezio's sole reason for living was to convey messages to Desmond, Connor's sole purpose (in AC3) is to show Desmond what Haytham did with the key and I think Desmond was born soley to save the world. Thats it. I thnk he's dead and that he'll be forever though of as Earths saviour, at least in the eyes of Assassin's. As for AC4? I think it will be Mordern Day Assassins. Why? Because William, Shaun and Rebecca were there to see what Desmond and JUno were talking about. They know, I think, that she's evil and will bend the Earth, and its people, to her will. Thats my opinon =D (Harlan1500 (talk) 10:18, November 7, 2012 (UTC))

I like Jayant's idea.. It's as if Desmond and Juno swapped their positions.. D,STRINGER (talk) 12:15, November 7, 2012 (UTC)

Ubi promised more of Desmond and we got it, although his missions were fun and exciting they were not fulfilling they added little story to him and I felt they treated the Desmond section poorly. I loved when juno talked to you when plugging in the batteries and I (excuse my French) fucking loved the ending of the game it was awesome. Adam save the world now eve must stop Juno --HijoDeAguila (talk) 15:16, November 7, 2012 (UTC)

My jaw was on the floor for some time after the ending =p I kept racking my brain and re-watching it to see if there was some kind of a hint that Desmond was OK, alive even, but I found none. I think his skin glowed because of the First Civ DNA in him, not because he was 'transfreed' to the globe. I truly thing Desmond is dead, as much as I like him, and if he was considered 'Adam' then this 'Eve' woman may be the modern day assassin to stop Juno - I know, I know! massivly premature, AC4 hasn't even got a date, let alone an actual statement saying its a done deal =p But I belive, I have faith! =D (and I'll stop ranting now) (Harlan1500 (talk) 21:10, November 7, 2012 (UTC))

I haven't read through all of the posts on here, but has anyone considered the possibility of the shaun, rebecca, and bill recovering the shroud and using it to revive desmond, thus allowing him to continue onward to thwart juno's attempt at dominating earth? It wouldn't be the first time a human with some special genes stopped one of those who came before dead in their tracks..

"Despite the rumors of its abilities to do so, it could not be used to bring a being back to life. However, it could reanimate bodies to a small degree for a short amount of time." - A quote from the Shroud of Eden's page. Lucan07^{Haunt me...and Stuff} 05:32, March 5, 2013 (UTC)

The only problem is... Abstergo has Desmond's body(as seen in an image released by AC initiates), which may explain a bit of the present portion of AC bLack flag. BsidEs, I don't think they are goIng to try and revive Desmond... they shouLdn't Anyway. All evidence point towards "Eve" or rather Eve's descendant, which begs the question... is Aveline one of Eve's descendant ? If so, whose DNA was harvested in other for us, as consuMers, being Able to expeRIence her memories through the aNimus ? UnfOrtunately at this point, as it has tiresomely been the case with the AC franchise, there are only question but no answers.Hiennaz (talk) 22:43, March 10, 2013 (UTC) 

There is no existence of "Eve"/Eve's descendant established. No 'evidence' points towards her. -- Master Sima Yi _Clogs 22:44, March 10, 2013 (UTC)

Truth and ending of Brotherhood... Ending of liberation... Besides I didn't say that Eve/Eve's descendant existance has been established, I said she has been alluded to a few times throughout the games so maybe we'll see a bit more about this character. Sorry for speculating like everyone else is doing.Hiennaz (talk) 05:25, March 11, 2013 (UTC)