I you watch this video you will know the truth. Ubisoft explains the ancestry of desmond!!!

Tdv96 18:03, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

So it seems they are from two different sides of Desmond's family.

http://kotaku.com/5823431/what-i-thought-i-knew-about-assassins-creed-revelations-was-partially-wrong

XNQtionr 02:46, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure they are related. Still, don't you want to explain why you think so? MikeBone 02:57, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

my mistake, I copied the wrong address. The article explains that writer Darby McDevitt stated that Ezio and Altair are not related.

XNQtionr 03:06, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

How would they not be related yet Desmond can view their memories? He can only do that if they are connected in some way--DNA. Why do they look so much alike if they aren't related? Strang3Happ3nings 03:21, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah I just saw it wand was about to post it. Wow wtf. MikeBone 03:22, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

Strang3Happ3nings: Desmond has both of their DNA, Ezio doesn't need Altair's DNA for Desmond to view both their memories.

XNQtionr 03:27, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

Desmond could be related to both of them through marriage though wasn't Dominic Auditore (the founder of the Auditore family) a descendant of Altair? Aleksandr the Great 03:32, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

Kind of defeats the purpose of putting spoilers in the title when you have Altair and Ezio aren't related in the title as well.... LuckyTimothy 6:66, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

I just read the article and I retract my statement. MY GOSH. So Altair came from one side of the family and Ezio from the other, which means Subject 16 is only related to Desmond through Ezio. But why do they look alike? So there is a possibility that Desmond has family that stayed in the Middle East and some that stayed in Europe--this is a trip! :D Question is: is Ezio Desmond's father's relative or his mother's? What if the reason the Masonic Eye and Phyrgian cap meet is because his ancestors have something to do with both symbols rather than the French Revolution? The Masonic Eye appears in the American Constitution and the US dollar. the Phyrgian cap appears in the French Revolution and in Latin America (Peru, Haiti, Colombia, Cuba, etc.). Perhaps he has two ancestors in two different lands that meet: an Assassin and a Templar. The eye is associated with the Freemasons, aka Templars. The cap is associated with revolutions in oppressed nations, aka Assassins fighting the Templars for freedom. Thoughts? Strang3Happ3nings 03:56, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

They don't have to come from different sides of the family though. They could be from the same side of the family if for example the mother of Ezio's child is a descendant of Altair. 84.135.151.74 21:54, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

There's one major problem that nobody has realized yet. How can both Ezio and Altair have Eagle Vision if they aren't related? JumpInTheFire13 05:16, July 22, 2011 (UTC) they both came from two seperate lineages of twcb 178.222.112.36 05:25, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

They both came from ancestors who were TWCB hybrids? Adam and Eve had a bunch of kids, but that may not be true in the AC universe. Desmond isn't the only Assassin with Eagle Vision. Just because we don't know exactly who they are doesn't mean they don't exist. Someone on this website said that "Eve" may be a distant relative of Desmond's, so they're probably right. She's probably related to him and carries the other half of TWCB's DNA that Subject 16 said he needs to save the world. Now, don't say they need to have a child because that was never implied with either TWCB or Subject 16. Talks about DNA does not equal sex. A few people have posted some theories about Lucy being pregnant when Desmond stabbed her or she was to have his child or something along those lines. Strang3Happ3nings 05:29, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

Perhaps the Animus represents the ancestors with a face similar to the user's, adjusted for age. Perhaps it gave Altair an American accent for a chuckle too. DCTF 10:42, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

Someone on GameFAQs had an interesting point: "If this is true, why can Ezio see Altair at Masyaf?" Just something for your mind to chew on. As I said before, I don't believe it. Aegis Runestone 17:54, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

@Aegis - In the Gamespot interview, the AC representative said that the seals in AC:R will have some of Altair's memories encoded into them through which Ezio will experience parts of Altair's life (so Desmond will live through these new memories of Altair's via Ezio's memories). Perhaps the seals are TWCB technology in the same way that the Pieces are. Masyaf is where the seals will be brought together to unlock the final secret beneath Masyaf, so that's why the trailer shows a vision of Altair in that location. DCTF 18:01, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

Then they are breaking their own canon. The wiki here says that Altair is Ezio's ancestor and cites Assassin's Creed II as the source. So, therefore, if Ezio and Altair are not meant to be related, then why does it say they are in AC2? Aegis Runestone 18:33, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

Don't know – maybe it's been misrepresented in this latest article, or maybe there's more to this than we understand right now – perhaps Desmond has a more direct genetic link to Altair, and Ezio's familial connection is weaker? It's anyone's guess, but I'd like to think they wouldn't have messed up on such a fundamental detail as this. PS. Can you refresh my memory on this thing about AC2? Been a while since I played it, so I can't remember where it specifically said Altair is an ancestor of Ezio. DCTF 19:40, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

I'd have to start a new AC2 game. Which, I'm actually willing to do, it's just that it might take me a day or two to get to the scene where they enter the Sanctuary (I've heard that location is where Ezio is told that Altair is his ancestor. Indirectly, though.) Basically, Mario supposed says "our ancestor, Altair" or something like that in the Sanctuary. We'll see. If nothing is mentioned, I might believe this. However, I'd like to put into perspective of how writers might think: J.K. Rowling declared once that her books (Harry Potter) were "not fantasy." Which is ridiculous because they are made of 100% fantasy elements (well, maybe not 100%). Here, we have the main writer for AC saying that Altair and Ezio aren't related when we have semi-solid evidence that they are. The point here is: writers don't always know what they're talking about, even it's their own writing. :PAegis Runestone 19:55, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

Ah good point, that sounds familiar. I'm thinking of playing it again because I did AC2 once and Brotherhood twice, so it's about time I went back. Still, perhaps this writer hasn't made a mistake after all. For example: suppose a woman outside the Auditore family has a child with a non-Auditore male. The child's father dies, leaving the woman as a single parent. She then marries an Auditore, who accepts the child as his own into the family. Thus, a person without Auditore genetic lineage could be accepted as an Auditore by history. (I know, it's a pointless fudge...) DCTF 20:02, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

So... I just started playing through AC2 again (slowly, as I've got a lot of work on, and I wanted to pay attention for any mention of Altair). It seems the Wikia might actually be wrong. I'm in Sequence 5 right now. Mario has not made any mention of Altair being an Auditore ancestor yet, only that he was an assassin long ago who is important to the organisation. The transcript of the Auditore family crypt engravings doesn't say Altair is an ancestor, and the Codex pages obviously can't. I suspect I'm going to get to the end again and discover this writer is absolutely correct, and a lot of us have fooled ourselves that we heard something which was never said. DCTF 12:16, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

are you guys forgetting about Domenico Auditore his information can be found on this wiki and the u-play bonus download which clearly states that Altair is Domenicos ancestor and therefore Ezios as well JTassassin137 13:12, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

@JTassassin137 - You mean this? http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Auditore_Family_Crypt I can't see anything clearly stated in there which says Altair is Domenico's ancestor DCTF 13:43, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

@DCTF You should see it in the biography section third paragraph in the Domenico Auditore article. AssassinCreedFreak122 00:10, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

@Anon - I do see that, but it's not in the actual text of the game, which is why I'm suggesting it may be a mistake in the Wikia. We'll see when I get to the crypt again, because the one other possibility is that it comes from the TAB-to-view Biography text from Shaun, in which case it's easy for the game's writer(s) to say he made a false assumption. After all, the Wikia points out that he got the generations wrong. I'll let you know later! P.S. And now I can't use my desktop machine because the graphics card appears to have died and its fan doesn't spin. This won't be cheap. Lesson learned: do not challenge the Wikia. DCTF 14:08, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

Gosh darn it. You're right. I got to the Sanctuary scene, and Mario didn't say anything about Altair being Ezio's ancestor... Aegis Runestone 16:02, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

So I just read the G4 coverage of the Assassin's Creed panel and it was said that Ezio and Altair are both related to Desmond but not to each other. So it is official, I suppose. I don't know why we always assumed it was a straight lineage, but it feels very strange to think that Ezio is not Altair's descendant. Conor Shepard 20:21, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

What about when Altair and Maria had a "moment" on William's tower. It panned in to her stomach, what was the point of that, To explain the Lineage between Ezio and Altair. Tyler D'Ambrosio 20:46, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

Well I don't see how it was supposed to explain the lineage between Ezio and Altair in the first place. Just showed who it was Altair knocked up. 84.135.151.74 21:54, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

I really doubt Altair and Ezio aren't somehow related by blood. I looked over the family lines, and here's what I've got pegged down:

Altair and Maria had two sons, Darim and Sef. Darim was childless, Sef had two daughters around or before 1217. They moved to Alexandria around 1247 (they would have been in their early 30's by now). Altair gives his Codex to the Polo brothers in 1247 before the Khan family attacks Maysaf. My guess (since Altair is 92 by 1247) is that Altair and his son Dairm die protecting Maysaf.

The time period between 1247 and 1296 bears no records regarding Altair's lineage.

Then in 1296 Domencio (later taking the name "Auditore") is born in Venice to a sailor and assassin. He also becomes a sailor and assassin, marries, and has a son. Domenico works for his father's patron, Marco Polo. Marco gives Dante Aligheri the Codex, and Dante gives the Codex to his apprentice, Domenico to bring to Spain (coincidence? there's no such thing in this world!). Domenico, his wife, and son are ambushed by Templars. Domenico loses his wife and the Codex. He then moves to Florence with his son and uses Marco Polo's bank account to become a noble under the name "Auditore". The two eventually move and rule Monteriggioni. Skip ahead a few more generations and Mario and Giovanni are born. Giovanni and Maria have several children, including Ezio. Ezio then discovers and reassembles Altair's Codex and his armor. Skip ahead a ton more generations and Subject 16 and Desmond are born.

There is a huge theme of the relationships between fathers and sons in these games and comics-- it's really hard to miss. So to say that Ezio and Altair aren't related when there's enough coincidental evidence and threads that connect the two together seems in laymen's terms: DUMB. I think someone just screwed up somewhere OR Ubisoft's got something up their sleeve. Probably the latter, since one of their writers said it. It just seems weird to me. We'll have to wait and see.Mcm62992 23:00, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

Well, I do want to point out one small fact - why Abstergo needed Desmond in the first place? They needed Desmond because in his blood was encoded with the memories of his ancestors. So here is a question if Subject Sixteen and Desmond were related thru Ezio's bloodline and Ezio is part of Altair's bloodline, then, I ask why didn't Abstergo find about Altair/Ezio's POE and why did they needed Desmond to relive through his ancestors memories? Couldn't they find that out if Subject Sixteen had Altair's memories? No, they discovered that about Altair's involvement thru Subject Sixteen's experience with Ezio Auditore's memories and what Ezio learnt with the Seals and Codex.

Example of Desmond Family tree:

The Auditore Line ---> Domenico's father ---> Domenico ---> Domenico's Son ---> GIovanni and Mario's Father ---> Giovanni and Mario ----> Ezio + Sofia -----> Ezio's Son or Daughter ----> Many Generations? ---> Desmond's Ancestor that Joins Altair's Line ---> Many Generations? ---> Desmond

Altair's Line --> Altair's Father ---> Altair + Maria ---> Darium ---> Darium's Childrens ---> Many Generations? ----> Desmond's Ancestor that Joins the Auditore's Line ---> Many Generations? ---> Desmond

And since we know found the game that Ezio was the last/earliest common ancestor between Desmond and Subject Sixteen - it fits on that regard. Dinale 23:51, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

Altair is Ezio's forefather and they are two meanings of forefather one meaning is an ancestor (and since they arent related i guess thats not it) and the other meaning is person who is from an earlier time and has originated or contributed to a common tradition shared by a particular group and that makes the most sense with the not related idea. AssassinCreedFreak122 00:09, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

Links that work please. I think that this is a bunch of nonsense. Of course Ezio is Altairs descendant. Aëtius 00:30, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

Comic Con - Live Blog Panel --> Nikole: Q: Can you comment on Altair and Ezio's hookup? A: You mean are they related or are they gay? [haha] They are both related to Desmond but they're not related.

Read more: http://www.g4tv.com/comiccon-2011/panels-and-live-blogs/assassinscreedrevelationspanel/128/#ixzz1T4ZVUW3c Dinale 00:35, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

@Aëtius "Of course" isn't very good evidence. I'm playing through again now (and I got my gfx card working again, thankfully); at the time of writing, there's still no mention of Ezio being Altair's descendant. If you can remember where it said otherwise, let us know and save us some time, please :) At the moment, it's looking very much as though Desmond is important because he's the intersection between two bloodlines containing at least two exceptional characters. DCTF 00:44, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

I was hoping that the writers were not going to go down the 'convergence of dna' road because it is a bit to close to Eugenics for my liking. Kaloneous 01:25, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

Why did they put the Altair and maria scene in AC II? when they could have put in in AC or AC Bloodlines? It's cause they needed to explain Ezio and Altair's Lineage. Also, we may have an explanation of Altair being related to 16. 16 was the guy in AC: Altairs chronicles. I'm just wondering, It's possible he was reviewing older memories. And Ezio and Altair are almost identical in appearence. It's common genetics, Ezio Inherited Altairs genes. Tyler D'Ambrosio 02:05, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

In Assassin's Creed 2 they discuss memory-in-memory patterns and it talks about how a persons mothers memories and fathers memories were competing. It is highly likely we are seeing the same thing here as the memories from one side of the family are competing with the others. This would leave the same feeling as a bleeding effect while still plugged into the animus and so leading to Ezio being able to see Altair in memory form. Unknown144 02:26, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

Its always been heavily implied that they are and for this new writer to just come in and say "no their not related." is just insulting to everything I understand about the series. Altair is Desmonds ancestor, Ezio is the next step in that genetic line that leads to Desmond. It just dosen't even make logical sense for them to be related Desmond and not each other. So my opinion is that this Mcdevitt guy is an idiot and I have little faith in the revevaltions script because of his ignorance.68.8.126.198 03:03, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

I don't really see how it's insulting, and calling the writer an idiot based on your assumptions is a bit ironic in the circumstances. There was a whole academy full of assassins in AC1, in a town which presumably contained a fair number of assassins' relatives. You mention logic - how does it make logical sense that Altair and Ezio *are* related just because Desmond is descended from both? Really, lots of players screamed "plothole" and now they won't admit to having jumped to conclusions.

PS To Tyler: showing us Altair and Maria's creation of another assassin will presumably be important in Revelations. The event let us know for sure that any viewing of your ancestors' memories is impossible after the moment of the conception of the generation which leads to you. Most players are only going to play the desktop/large console titles, so it filled in the Maria/Altair story. It couldn't happen in AC1 very easily (though it would have made a more intriguing ending). The common appearance may just be a feature of the Animus: you look like yourself at an age appropriate to the period of life you're experiencing, perhaps. DCTF 03:21, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

DCTF, it could just be because Ubisoft used the same character model for all three. There doesn't have to be an explanation for everything, especially little things like that. JumpInTheFire13 05:19, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

I think I figured something out...Ezio can NOT be related to Altair at all but in order to Desmond being able to view Ezio's and Altair's memories, some one must have Altair's DNA in them! So My point is: Ezio isn't A Descendant of Altair BUT HIS WIFE IS! I Highly believe that Sofia Sorta (or whatever her name is) is the descendant of Altair that unites his[Altair's] memories with the Auditore :P 77.71.199.174 06:28, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

JumpInTheFire, that's very true, which is why I said "perhaps". It's not a detail which I think needs any explanation.

In other news, got the gfx card working, played the Auditore Family Crypt again. There is no Animus history about the crypt, and the only text comes with the wall carvings. The plot of the next game is solid and nothing conflicts with it. AC2 never said Ezio is a descendent of Altair. DCTF 09:03, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

Then the article must be fixed. Though, I forgot WHICH article cited AC2 as the source of Ezio being related to Altair (which we now know is false). Aegis Runestone 15:07, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

I just think it was stupid for the writers to make a move like this. Had we found out about this in the game itself, it might have come as an interesting twist, but announcing this before the game. Plus if they planned this all along why give them the same faces? Was it just to fool us to think they were from the same bloodline? It also weakens the story of 'Revelations', cause first it felt like Ezio was going on a personal quest to find the secrets of his ancestor. Now it just seems like he is doing his duty as an Assassin to find this secret in Masyaf and find the keystones to open it. Just doesn't feel personal anymore, thus also not as strong anymore. Just my thoughts. -- Altaïr 19:07, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

I totally agree with you, Altaïr. It should have been a reveal in the game, and yeah, it does make it feel less personal. :/ I wish Ezio WAS Altaïr's descendent, but Ubisoft has said "no." As for the faces, that has me going, too. I really think Ezio's and Altaïr's faces should look different if they're not related. Aegis Runestone 19:11, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

This just feels like a retcon and I hate retcons. This just sounds like they want to add this to make it more interesting, but this just destroys the story as we knew it. Ezio felt more important to me as a character because he was the descendant of Altaïr, because I think it is no surprise that he is one of my favourite characters in fiction lol. And what are they going to do now. Keep the faces as they are, despite that they're not all related or change them, which would just piss off more fans. -- Altaïr 19:23, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

Pretty sure they knew this all along, but they're only going to comment on it and explain it in Revelations. I think this makes me even more interested to find out how these three very diverse figures are all part of the same nexus.70.70.13.203 19:48, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

Altaïr, this isn't really a retcon. Ezio was only stated to be Altaïr's descendant in pre-release interviews of AC2. It is stated nowhere in the game, and can therefore easily considered not to be part of the canon. -- Master Sima Yi 21:23, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

I think we all knew that Ubi would throw a major curve ball with Revelations and even though it isn't stated in game, it is implied (the character likeness at the very least) and it could always have been corrected way earlier then now as Darby stated during the comic con interview that both he and Corey May were aware of the fans misconception about the ezio/altair connection since after ACII, but they played (in my opinion) along so the could add this twist in the story. Don't get me wrong, I think that they will establish a good rationale for all of this throughout the rest of the story. Again though, it is kind of misleading and I understand why it annoys people. I mean what if they turn around tomorrow and said that we aren't playing as Desmond at all but his son etc... (i know this isn't the case) but it still would annoy a lot of people. Kaloneous 21:40, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

@Master Sima Yi. Retcons aren't always about contradictions. True, it was never stated but Ubisoft knew most of the fans thought that Altaïr and Ezio were related. It was almost as good as established especially because they all made them look the same. Retcons can be when they add something that changes a reader (or in this case) player's interpretation of the story. And it this case it does. That's why I consider it a retcon. -- Altaïr 21:51, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

One person mentioned that they'd have rather found this out in the game, but I still think that moment in the game would have being accompanied by a million exit beeps and the angry rattling of keyboards on forums everywhere anyway. For one thing, the only reason we know already is because someone asked a question at Comic Con, and besides, it's better we know now so we can prove that and get used to it. It's obviously only a very minor surprise compared to other things we're going to see in AC:R, since it's one of the very few things they're allowing us to know ahead of time. It's been done for a reason, and I trust them to make it worthwhile. For whatever reason, this was better than a lineage connection between Ezio and Altair so there must be an advantage in the story.

I believe it's been planned for years - after all, why not explicitly point out a connection between them in AC2 or AC:B? It's conspicuous that they didn't decide to put it in. I'm happy to be patient and see how this pans out. DCTF 22:12, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

If you go by that defenition, Altair, then you're going to feel like Assassin's Creed has a lot of retcons, because very often the player is encouraged to belive that something is one way, when there's a twist that changes your perception of everything. We thought that TWCB were strictly benign, but the one at the end of Brotherhood spoke harshly and forced Desmond to kill one of his best friends. It's not a retcon if the authors knew it from the beginning. If writers avoided challenging the player's natural preconceptions then the stories would have to be plainly laid out from start to finish. I prefer building up mysteries that the player never suspects, and then unleashing them. It makes for that amazing feeling I get at the end of each Assassin's Creed game, and makes staying up all night to finish it so totally worth it.70.70.13.203 01:33, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

It's different imo. TWCB were still a mystery, cause we only met one of them, namely Minvera. But with Ezio and Altaïr. Well like I said I know it was not established in the game, but from outside the game. In interviews and other sources it was almost as good as established even by Ubisoft workers, that they were related and they gave us a clear impression that they were in the game, while TWCB were still a mystery to us. That's the difference. We didn't just assume it based on nothing. There were several stories going on, and especially because their faces are identical! How are they going to explain that? It's a coincidence that they have the same face, despite that they are not related? And Revelations had the best cinematic trailer of E4 also because of the emotion in it. How Ezio looked at this phantom image of who we presumed to be his ancestor Altaïr. Now the meaning of is just lost, because there is no connection at all, except that they are both assassins and are ancestors to Desmond, but that barely connects them together. Like I said it doesn't feel personal anymore. It might not be true retcon, but I still feel they ruined a lot by making this move. But I'm not going to conclude... I'm just going to wait and see. -- Altaïr 03:10, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

Well put Altair my current thoughts exactlyJTassassin137 05:48, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

can someone explain to me how ezio has eagle vision if hes not related to altair and i know about TWCB and humans breeding and creating half humans-half TWCBJTassassin137 06:02, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

That is why I asked myself too. Makes you think Desmond is extremely lucky to have two ancestors, possibly three, who come from different families, but all have Eagle Vision, or should I say Sense in Ezio's case and likely the third ancestor too. -- Altaïr 06:18, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

If Altair isn´t Ezio´s ancestor, then how did his great-great grandfather Domenico get a hold of Altair´s armor? The 16th saint 06:33, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

Because Altaïr likely gave it to Niccolò Polo in Masyaf in his older years together with the codex. I know the codex later got in the in the hands of his son Marko Polo, and passed it on to Dante Alighieri who gave it to his apprentice Domenico Auditore, ancestor of Ezio who built the villa, so also the sanctuary where he placed the armor. The thing is that Domenico learned of his Assassin legacy. So that was one of the many hints that he was the descendant of Altaïr. Another thing is that the theory that Altaïr also gave his armor to Niccolo is speculation. It's not confirmed in the Secret Crusade or other sources as far as I know. So it's more likely that he went in search for it. One of the Auditore's did at least. But why if they are not related to Altaïr? You would think that they went looking for it because it is part of their legacy, but it's not. -- Altaïr 06:47, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

I think that scene is just as powerful with two masters separated by time as with an ancestor. Altair didn't really seem like Ezio's ancestor to me. Ezio only knows him as a guy who was a living legend. even if they were related, the connection he would feel to him would still only be on that level.

I read he article today only and was quite surprised.But then in AC2 why does ezio and mario refer to altair as their Great Grandfather

The Hidden Blade 11:00, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

He wasn't refering to Altair as the great grandfather. They were refering to Domenico Auditore... So your point is invalid. FailChef ^{Words are Awesome} 11:13, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

then how does ezio see altair at masyaf?The Hidden Blade 13:30, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

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Well...what Ezio see is Altair's ghost. We have seen Desmond seeing ghosts before due to the bleeding effect. And those ghosts are not exactly his forefathers.

I believe Ezio already has one of those stone disks that contain Altair's memories, before traveling to Masyaf. Those disks function like the stuff Abstergo uses to show you memories of people from the past in Project Legacy (the DDS), so anyone can use it to view memories of people who are not your forefathers.

MiloE 14:03, July 26, 2011 (UTC)_

The stuff Abstergo uses??? THE ANIMUS??? How do you remember all of the other names you mentioned and not Animus hahaha jk. But I was thinking perhaps they could make the excuse of the Animus just inserting the face of the user onto the ancestor and that's why Desmond's face was so similar to Ezio's and Altair's. And the reason his face changed in Revelations was a change in Animus software. Just a theory, but if this theory did hold true, that would mean they would have to change Altair's face model as well. Conor Shepard 16:50, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

This whole crap of discussion, I am still disagreed that they are not related - If they are not related, then how can Ezio get all skills directly from Altair, included Eagle Sense/Instinct, etc? I am still saying that Altair is a previous living figure of Ezio, as Ezio is to Desmond. Like how Desmond learned and honed all moves Ezio once did; without directly teaching in Real-Life (aka outside Animus). Those reviewers who mentioned about Ezio ≠ Altair are liars and tricksters. --FredCat 16:55, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

It is possible that Altaïr and Ezio aren't related, if Altaïr is a relative to Sofia Sorto, Sofia Sorto and Ezio had kids, one of the kids is related to Desmond and the other to S16, the kids are related to Sofia and Ezio so Desmond and S16 are both related to Altaïr and Ezio while Ezio isn't related to Altaïr, do you understand me?CoffeeRocks 17:10, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

Still, it's impossible. I am still denying this relation craps, it's all because of Eagle Sense/Instinct. If Ezio had it and not get Altair's Blood or DNA, then it's conflict. Again, for Revelation; Ezio had Altair's DNA as he was only person saw Altair in the trailer, where other people (Guards) do not. --FredCat 17:15, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

It's not impossible, Fredcat. Eagle sense wasn't unique to Altair. If it was, they would have said so, or people would have remarked about it, but they never talked about it being unusual. Altair lived in a town full of other assassins. You are inventing things, declaring them to be true and then getting angry about the games having their own story that doesn't match the one you made up. We don't know why Ezio could see Altair until we play AC:R and see what happens to Ezio after he relives Altair's memories when he uses the Seals. The fact that he could see him does not prove that they are related. DCTF 17:29, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

@DCTF actually Eagle Sense is an advanced eagle vision so it could have happened in Altair's later life but we couldnt know because we only played a year in Altair's life while we played Ezio from 17 to 52. AssassinCreedFreak122 18:04, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

We can't know if Altaïr had eagle sense. One thing already does not support the theory and that is the book The Secret Crusade, but then again it never really refers to his Eagle Vision either. So there could still be other sources claiming Altaïr Eagle vision evolved to an Eagle Sense, but so far there are no sources to back this up. Anyway I just want to repost what I said earlier. I do think it is highly coincidental Desmond has two ancestors with this ability. And @DCTF you talk almost as if every assassin had eagle vision in the Creed during the third crusade. I think Altaïr was suppose to be the only, if not one of the few who had Eagle vision in the Creed. It suppose to be a rare ability. Still it's possible people had it who were not Assassins and one of these people passed it on to Ezio eventually. -- Altaïr 18:14, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

I would repeat this, Altair is Ezio's grandfather, because Eagle Sense is in the blood. Desmond also got this by end of AC1, which is before he learned of Ezio and his life. That does further prove that the supernatural power and moves have passed down from Altair to Ezio, then to Desmond. And I am sealing this in my own mind. --FredCat 18:45, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

@Altair - Rare ability, sure. They don't say how many people have it. It is an assassin's ability though, as Ezio's father says when he tells him how to find the robes in the hidden area in the house: "use your gift".

@Fredcat - Altair is blatantly not Ezio's grandfather or even great-grandfather. Dominico is further back than that in Ezio's family. There is no proof in what you're saying, other than the gift is hereditary. TWCB explain that the eagle vision/sense comes from them - they had it, the glyph puzzles explain that there was interbreeding between them and some humans (which echoes the biblical account of the Nephilim), and as a result the eagle vision is out there in the human population too. DCTF 18:59, July 26, 2011 (UTC)@DCTF Where is the proof that Eagle vision or sense is only an assassin ability? This goes all the way back to Adam and Eve, were all descendants Assassins? Umar likely had eagle vision too, only because his ancestors had it. While there is no proof that his ancestors were assassins.

Eagle Vision does not mean that Altair is related to Ezio. Since Eagle Vision is a result of the mixing of human and TWCB DNA, then any descendant of Adam and Eve could have it. And unless their descendants only had one child each, making their family tree a staight line, then Altair and Ezio could be far enough apart that they are not considered related but still both have Eagle Vision. Wunderkind67 19:48, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah I don't mean it's exclusive to assassins - as I was saying above, it's just a genetic heritage from TWCB, and I wasn't suggesting all assassins have it either. Just that, for the purposes of the game, it's a thing you use in assassinations and no doubt there are meant to be Templars and ordinary people too who have the ability. DCTF 20:28, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

Ezio saw altair because of the seals. We don't know how, but that's it.70.70.13.203 20:10, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

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I proposed how some lines above: he gets a secondary effect of using the seals: the bleeding effect. So he starts seing ghosts, just like Desmond sees ghost of guards and other people.

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I've read this forum page from top to bottom, and I have a few things to say. First of all, I don't see why some people refuse to admit Altaïr and Ezio are not related. The writers write the story, therefore what the writers say about the story is the absolute truth. Second, many people wrote false deductions attempting to prove that the two Assassins are indeed related, but I have not found one post attempting to prove that they can *not* be related. I believe I have found said proof, but I've never been very good at explaining my thoughts, especially in writing, so please bear with me.

First of all, I believe we can all safely assume that Abstergo acts in a rational manner, or else they would never have succeeded in their plans. Second, Ezio is one of Subject 16's ancestors, therefore if Altaïr was Ezio's ancestor, then he would also be Subject 16's ancestor. This would mean Abstergo could access Altaïr's memories through Subject 16. So, if they could, why did they go through Ezio's memories instead? This would mean Ezio's memories had greater priority than Altaïr's. To summarise what I've said so far, we can safely say that because of who's memories Abstergo accessed through Subject 16, that if Altaïr was one of Ezio's ancestors than that Ezio's memories were more important than Altaïr's.

However, Subject 16 (officially) committed suicide, so Vidic had to move on to Subject 17, Desmond. Now, if Altaïr and Ezio were related, than Abstergo would once again have access to both Altaïr's and Ezio's memories. But why did they study Altaïr's life and not continue on with Ezio's? They had not reached the point where Ezio meets Minerva's interactive hologram, or else Lucy would have known about this memory before Desmond relived it. The only explanation is that Abstergo preferred to study what Altaïr knew rather than what Ezio knew, which is logical since it allowed them to learn the location of many Pieces of Eden instead of just two.

Now, to summarise: we know for sure that Altaïr's memories were more important than Ezio's (see third paragraph), and we know that if Altaïr and Ezio were related, that Ezio's memories were more important than Altaïr's (see second paragraph). In other words, we have two contradictory ideas. However, one of them is based on an assumption, that Altaïr is one of Ezio's ancestors, therefore this assumption is false. I hope I've managed to make myself understood, and that people will stop saying that the writers are bad at their job.

Mahlete 00:22, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

P.S. Please tell me if you see any mistakes in my logic, or if I have my facts wrong, so that we may all get closer to an explanation, or in my English (I'm French and trying to improve) :)

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In the 23:06, July 27, 2011 version of the Eagle Vision article it is stated:

"Assassin's Creed states that the Eagle vision ability is actually just the Animus' visualization of the Assassin's observational skills. However, as Juno later refers to Assassins seeing "the blue shimmer," the backstory for Eagle vision was likely changed to be a real-world ability. "

In the 01:26, July 27, 2011 version of The Creed article it is stated:

"Nothing is true; everything is permitted."

―The Creed's maxim.

The maxim could apply to those that are involved with the game. 24.193.12.174 00:30, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

I for one do not know for sure, but i am crushed by the fact this is even a possibility. If they are indeed unrealated, then it changes everything i believed about the series. Now i have no choice but to question everything. I guess the only to really know is to wait for it to be revealed in November. Man, I sure do hope they are related and this statement was just made to mess with us. Solo assassin 07:57, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

I have seen alot of good arguments in this forum. But none of you answered the question above; if ezio and altair aren't related, why do they have the same face? And you know that little easter egg in brotherhood with Altair's statue? That implies that Desmond himself thinks that Altair and ezio are related! (unsigned)

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I agree that we haven't answered the question regarding their faces, but no-one can really know for sure until the writers actually let us know. Anyway, here is my theory. I don't believe the Animus simply puts the user's face on top of the ancestor's, that just seems weird. Also, that does not explain why Maria Thorpe keeps her own face and does not take Desmond's. Some say that is because Altaïr saw her face therefore her appearance is encrypted into Desmond's DNA, but in that case Maria saw Altaïr's face and since she is also one of Desmond's ancestors, her husband's (did they actually get married? I'm not sure) face should be in Desmond's DNA as well.

If you watch the Truth video from AC2, you may notice Adam ressembles Desmond, Altaïr and Ezio, but I'll admit it is difficult to tell because of his beard. Now, Adam had 50% TWCB DNA, and it's simple genetics and logic that his descendants will each have less and less TWCB DNA the more Adam's family merges with the 100% humans. I believe that from time to time Adam is reincarnated in one of his descendants and that that somehow brings a fresh batch of TWCB DNA into the family. That also explains why after all those generations, Altaïr and Ezio have the same genetic abilities (Eagle Vision/Sense, apparently infinite endurance, surviving a 60 feet/20 meter drop without breaking one bone, etc.). My theory is supported by the fact that Desmond has to find "Eve", which kind of implies that he is Adam. I know all of this is mere speculation, but tell me what you think :)

Mahlete 14:24, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

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Eagle Vision was retconned DURING the development of AC1. This is obvious because Desmond can use it IRL at the end, and if it wa sjust an animus program, how the heck would it ever apply to real life, let alone blood splatters? I don't think Adam's "Reincarnated", but I do think that certain individuals get the full power of TWCB, and certain ones don't.70.70.13.203 19:03, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

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If someone finds a direct quote of someone from Ubisoft saying that Ezio is Altaïr's descendent, I would love to see it. I've looked back over a lot of interviews and articles, including all six Developer Diaries for AC2, and I haven't found one instance of this being said by someone from Ubisoft. The original reveal article for AC2 in Game Informer says that Altaïr is Ezio's ancestor, but that's not a direct quote and could easily be a misunderstanding by the article's author. In the Gamespot E3 Stage Demo for AC2, one of the viewer questions mentions Altaïr being Ezio's ancestor, and Patrice kind of changed the subject a little bit, but he never confirmed that statement (the main question was will we see more of Altaïr). He then says "Desmond is the link." Why would he say that if the two were related? Desmond wouldn't be the link between them if he already knew they were related. I think a lot of the confusion came because Patrice kept describing Ezio as "the next ancestor". This would naturally make people think he's in the same line as Altaïr, but he's simply saying that Ezio is the next ancestor of Desmond that we're visiting. 20glyphs 21:32, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Exactly. and even with Revelations, if you read a recent review, they WILL say something that is assumed or totally wrong. I was just reading an article that made it seem like EVERYTHING would be revealed in revelations, and Desmond's story would be over. Then I read one that made it seem like Revelations was going to reveal as much as other AC games have. (Basically another, bigger mystery)

There are those who think Assassin's Dens are missions you have to activate, there are those who say the the graphics engine is completely untouched, even though there have been obvious upgrades. (not too drastic, but noticable)

The thing to remember is that they all have to have some sort of thesis on the game, and since they have to write so many articles, they ususally jump on one before they have all the facts, or only focus on the ones that support it. We have never been told directly from Ubisoft representitives or in-game that Ezio and Altair were related. This leads me to conclude that it was planned from the beginning. Darby even said that they really just never got around to explaining it, since the part of the story that required that fact was only explored in Revelations. But he said that by itself it wasn't that big a deal, they just never ended up getting it in.70.70.13.203 04:39, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

When the makers first played around with Assassin's Creed, it is safe to say it was an experiment. They wee not aware of the success this title was going to take on. Then they put out Assassin's Creed II which was much more informative and they also added plenty of back story. Needless to say it only got better with Brotherhood. For whatever reason the men at Ubisoft working on this project chose to mention now that Altair and Ezio are not related. Up until this point they have given us every indication that the two were indeed related, but the made sure to never say it. Not stating this fact in any of the Assassin's Creed titles they gave themselves plenty of wiggle room. It may have very well been that at the beginning of Assassin's Creed II they were meant to be related. Now they must have something much better in in mind for Revelations seeing as officially announced they are not related.

This is going off topic, but is anyone familiar with the television show CSI: Miami? It too is a great story and i very much enjoy it. Since the very first season there has been a core group of cast members. Even though others may come and go, the core memebers remain pretty much the same. Through the first 5 seasons we were made to believe the beginning of the saw in which we saw from its Las Vegas precedent, was the original formation of the team. Later in season 6 or 7 they introduced a new member, who is said to have been around for a very long time before his departure to Los Angeles. Before his debut of the show, there had been zero mention of he prior to, but because they never set anything in stone, the writers were able to manipulate the history known to it's viewers. They then dedicated an entire episode to the story of his participation way before our beloved core cast members even came into play; and the came up with all this after he had spent a full season on the show already.

I hope that comparison makes sense to everyone. The point was that the writers do hold free will, and as long as they never entirely close off a particular angle, then can essentially do whatever they want. I too am extremely bothered by Altair and Ezio not being related, but im starting to feel that it is all right if they are not. I still hope that it is revealed that they are, and what we have believed all this time is correct. Solo assassin 08:01, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Since its official that Ezio and Altair are not related, There are Some parts of the Assassin's Creed Revelation page of this wiki needs a bit of a re-wording then, cuz there are some parts still claiming that Ezio is Altair's Descendant! Just wanted to point that out to an admin who is reading this77.71.199.174 15:51, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

Altair and Ezio are not related fully but that does not mean Altair is not Ezio's descendant. A descendant may also be described as a person who maintained a culture or held a belief before another. Altair held the Assassin's belief before Ezio and therefore Altair is still a type of descendant of Ezio. Unknown144 23:35, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

Hey, Unknown, I think you meant to say ancestor, because descendant is someone who comes after someone else. Wunderkind67 01:31, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

meh. Unknown144 01:42, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

... and "descendent" does not mean a person who maintains a culture or belief from an older person. A descendent is a person of a later generation to another by genetic heritage, and you would have to be employing the wobbliest of poetic usages to make it mean anything else. DCTF 01:49, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

Altair is actually Ezio's forefather as you see in earlier information about assassin's creed revelations. AssassinCreedFreak122 02:11, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

Forefather was probably used in relation to the Assassin's, because Altair started the true revolution of the Assassin order. He's the forefather of the order.70.70.13.203 04:45, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

I am confused 70.70.13.203. How could Altair have started the Assassin order if Al Mualim was the grand master before him, and his father (who came before him) was an assassin also? Unless im failing to comprehend what you mean by revolution, which is is a very high possibility. Solo assassin 08:29, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

Well Al Mualim wasn't a true assassin, because he wanted to use the Apple for his own gain, which was against what the Assassin's believed in. When Altaïr killed him, he brought a revolution of the creed. HellasTholophonos 12:55, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

To the guy who said that Eagle Vision was rectoned in AC1: Since the Animus's representation was how Desmond "saw" EV, then that might be how he visualized it. Ezio/Altair could've "felt" instead of "seen" if somebody was good/bad.

I do also find the scars suspect, all three of them have the same scar, but it may be just a coincidence.

After reading all this, I'm sorry I clicked on the article. I feel as if I should've heard that in-game. (Annabis)

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I was really dissappointed when i found this out tbh, i dunno why though :/. However the question is...If those seals (That will be in AC:R) work as a pre-Animus type of thing...(it was said in some interview i cannot remember where though :/) Then how will Ezio be able to see Altair's Memories?

@Annabis, Eagle vision was meant to be an actual power after it was retconned during the development of AC1, not just showing how the character felt about stuff, as evidenced by desmond's ability to see traces of blood that had long been removed. to the guy who didn't sign above me, seals are more like the DDS from project legacy, which allows you to relive memories even if they're not from your ancestors. So Ezio can use it. The scar is a kind of interesting coincidence thing, and it may make more sense once we find out how Desmond, Ezio and Altair are connected.70.70.13.203 22:37, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

The Scar only yeah. Would have been a nice coincidence. But their entire face? I hope they have a good explanation for that... -- Altaïr 02:11, August 3, 2011 (UTC)

Wow, I can't believe that this became so long.

XNQtionr 03:12, August 8, 2011 (UTC)

I really don't like this revelation and I hope Ubisoft didn't screw up with it. Even though they never directly stated Ezio was Altair's descendent it just made alot of sense that he was. There was so many hints that alluded to it. They both had eagle vision,a similar appearance, and were Desmonds ancestors. The name of the psp game was called BLOODLINES. It's interconnectivity was weapons from Altair's vanquished foes that ended up at the Auditore villa. His armor and sword both end up at Monteriggioni aswell making it seem like their were family heirlooms. One of the biggest themes in ACII was the importence of family and lineage. During the assassination of Uberto one noble questions the origins of the Auditore family and at the crypt we find out the name is a alias. Also making it appear that the Ibn-La'Ahad became the Auditore. Now the main reason why this news is so heartbreaking. Most of his quests in ACII had to do with Altair be it collecting the codex pages, finding the seals to retrieve his armor, and eventually obtaining the POE. It made sense they were related like Ezio was following in his legendary ancestors shoes. Now Ezio is searching for Altair's memory seals/keys to Masyaf. How cool would it have been in ACR for Ezio to find out he was Altair's descendent.That would have been in awesome moment. I think the reason people are so pissed by this announcement is because if Ubisoft knew this 2 years ago why didn't they say anything. So for 2 years we have all thought something that wasn't. 173.65.160.175The Original Assassin

It doesn't neccisarily have to come from two different sides of Desmond's fmaily tree. It could be Demond's grandmum's two parents. 173.77.132.250 16:59, September 11, 2011 (UTC)

that is the most stupidest comment i ever heard from Ubisoft. HOW AND WHY IS IT THAT THEY ARE NOT RELATED??? ALTAIR AND EZIO LOOK THE SAME, AND SPEAK ARABIC. AND HOW CAN DESMOND RELIVE BOTH OF THEIR MEMORIES??? THEIR COMMENT JUST DOES NOT MAKE SENSE AT ALL 108.27.93.67 17:08, September 11, 2011 (UTC)

Are you a bloodly idiot? It makes perfect sense. Look, think of it like this: Altair is related to Desmonds mother while Ezio is related to Desmonds father. They aren't DIRECTLY related. The reason why they have the same face is because of the Animus. See in Revelations they have different faces now becauset he Animus has finally 100% realized how they looked. -LuposBite 173.77.132.250 17:20, September 11, 2011 (UTC)

WTH? Since when does Ezio speak Arabic? He mainly speaks Italian and at one point, French.

Izamanaick 22:55, September 11, 2011 (UTC)

"In the 23:06, July 27, 2011 version of the Eagle Vision article it is stated:

"Assassin's Creed states that the Eagle vision ability is actually just the Animus' visualization of the Assassin's observational skills. However, as Juno later refers to Assassins seeing "the blue shimmer," the backstory for Eagle vision was likely changed to be a real-world ability. "

In the 01:26, July 27, 2011 version of The Creed article it is stated:

"Nothing is true; everything is permitted."

―The Creed's maxim.

The maxim could apply to those that are involved with the game. 24.193.12.174 00:30, July 28, 2011 (UTC) "

The part with Altair having observational skills does make a bit of sense because there is a possibility that Altair does not have eagle vision while Ezio is the one with eagle vision. Blix1ms0ns 23:03, September 11, 2011 (UTC)

Am I the only one not pissed off by this? It actually makes a lot of sense.201.227.0.58 03:21, September 12, 2011 (UTC)Anonymous

WE all know that the ones who came before cross breeded with humans to form assassins.those assassins were the the only ones who had eagle vision(not all assassins have eagle vision eg shaun, lucyand all assassins who have been accepted into the order by ceremony).So there could be juno assassins ,minerva assassins and jupiter assassinsand so on.So altair could be,say a juno assassin while ezio could be an assassin having ancestry of say,minerva.desmond is lucky to have 2 gods as ancesors + is an ancestor of adam and now has to find a guy (or gal) having eve ancestry!120.63.24.33 08:25, September 12, 2011 (UTC)anon

My Theory:

They are not related, Altaïr and Ezio don't come from the same Ancestor. Ezio had kids with Sofia (who I believe to be a descendant of Altaïr) so Desmonds's ancestor is one of their kids and Subject 16's ancestor is the other kid. Aquilus was born before Altaïr and Ezio so most likely the closest relation between them is Aquilus. And Ezio is most likely the closest link between Desmond and 16. CoffeeRocks 15:35, September 12, 2011 (UTC)

@CoffeeRocks Sofia Sorto is not a descendant of Altair, As they confirmed that at ComicCon or Gamescom. I can't remember which.

Izamanaick 18:26, September 12, 2011 (UTC)

I don't see why people get so angry over this. So what if they aren't related? What does that really change anyway? I'm pretty sure it was never blatantly said that Ezio and Altair were related. Just because they said what you thought wasn't true doesn't mean you have to hate them for it.

And Sofia couldn't be Altair's ancestor, because I remember hearing (although I can't remember where I heard it) that Subject 16 was related to Ezio but not Altair. That means one of Ezio's kids are 16's ancestor, while the other kid or one of their descendents had a child with one of Altair's descendents, which eventually led to Desmond. Wunderkind67 20:39, September 12, 2011 (UTC)

I don't think you should call us angry, we just show our opinions and thoughts. We are just having a discussion ;) CoffeeRocks 15:34, September 13, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry but I just don't by it. They state clearly in AC2 that Ezio is a decendant of Altair, and isn't it only possible to use the apple if you have the right genes? Furthermore what about Eagle Vision? Yes I grant you that alot of people have it, but is it not possible that those people are decended from Altair as well? His master had it and they are not related directly. My point is that even if Ezio is not Altair's direct decendant then surely he is apart of his bloodline in some way. I mean the whole story seems to loose it's meaning if it is not about a the torch being passed from father to son, so to speak that is. Captain Hook 7:53 1/12/2012

@Captain Hook - A lot of people thought so, but it's simply not true. Play AC2 and ACB again, as many of us did: they never said it, clearly or otherwise, and the Eagle Vision thing is explained as a product of concentration of certain genetics from TWCB, not from Altair. A fraction of humanity has the ability, and both the Assassins and the Templars are especially interested in investigating individuals from the present and the past who have these genetics. The Animus requires its users to have a reasonably strong genetic match to the ancestors in order to prevent a desynch. The story doesn't lose its meaning at all - it's just not what you assumed it to be. DCTF 04:06, January 13, 2012 (UTC)

Now see here if you have played Desmond's Journey in ACR I'm pretty sure that he says that Altiar is from his mother's side and Ezio from his father's (I beat Desmond's Journey a few weeks ago so...) but seeing altiar in masyaf in the books is a spirit, in the game it's desmond seeing Altiar, (But then again how would he get distracted in the opening scence) well that's my contribution 99.242.144.129 23:46, January 17, 2012 (UTC) Noah

Actually, they never mention that in Desmond's Journey. In fact, the releationship between Ezio and Altair is never mentioned at all in the AC games, only in the interviews and other video media. It ticked me off that Ezio never found out that he was a descendant of Altair in AC2 or ACB, but now we know that he is not. Also, Desmond inheriting his Altair genes from his mom and his Ezio genes from his father is only a theoretical situation set up by Darby to help explain the situation. It could be possible that the Ezio and Altair's bloodline could have both been given to Desmond by his mom or one of Ezio's children fell in love with one of Altair's descendants. Whatever it may be, Ezio's and Altair's bloodlines, eventually converged after the conception of Ezio's children but before Desmond's birth.

XNQtionr 00:56, January 18, 2012 (UTC)

Actually, it isn't jsut a hypothetical situation set up by Darby. If you read the database entry for Ezio in ACR, William Miles says that he experienced Eagle Vision/Sense himself alongside Ezio, eventhough he didn't spend as much time with him than Desmond. So from that we know Ezio's genes come from Desmond's dad. Also, William says that Desmond has a particularly high concentration of TWCB DNA, insinuating that he inherited it from both his parents. Because of that, we can safely assume that Altaïr's genes came from his mom, or else William would have a very high concentration of TWCB DNA as well.

Mahlete (Sorry, can't log on for some reason.)

I believe it was clay, and not William who made the database entries on ACR. Shaun, Rebecca and William did not see anything Desmond (and us) saw in the animus while he was in the coma, as the recording program or something was deactivated in order to free up memory in the animus, as Rebecca says in the beginning of the game. DanleYelnaD 00:57, January 21, 2012 (UTC)

Nobody seems to have thought of this yet, so since it has been confirmed altair is not ezio's ancestor, then who was? I assume it is a character we mustve meet in some way during the first assassins creed, and id really love to know who. My best guess would be Malik because he was the only assassin ever shown in the game to be anywhere near altair's skills as an assassin, because he was the only one ever shown in master assasin robes. Malik, like altair, was fairly young considering his rank in the order, only in his mid twenties when shown as a master assassin during the solomon temple mission. Therefore, perhaps he also had eagle vision or atleast the capability of passing it on to descendants from some dormant twcb genes. However, this is just a guess, it could be ezios descendants in masyaf at this time were all women, or we just may have never been introduced to them, but i really feel like malik would make the most sense, becaue along with his skill he also seemed to be an unusually wise man, possibly suggesting he too was a descendant of twcb. I'm also curious about who altair's descendant was during ezio's time period, however i doubt we were ever introduced to them since sef's children apparently settled in Alexandria. Does anyone else agree with the malik theory? And ik he had atleast one son...Tazim al sayf. Tazim was the assassin altair predominantly spoke with upon his return to kill abbas...was also one of the view assassins who still followed the creed and was trained as a true assassin, and of those who still followed the creed, he appeared to be the leader. During the battle to retake masyaf from abbas, he served as Altairs body guard, only leaving his side when Altair directed him to. Tazim actually creates a better arrgument for malik being the descendent then malik himself does. I just see a lot of similarity. But then again i saw a lot of similarity in Altair and Ezio, and we all know how that turned out TheEagle6 03:34, January 21, 2012 (UTC)

Well, Altaïr and Ezio are Desmond's ancestors, but from different lineages. I mean, Altaïr's blood's Desmond's mother, while Ezio's is in Desmond's father. the reason why they look alike would be som kind of adaptation the Animus made, so that the Subjects might identify themselves with it's ancestors more easily. Ezio's and Altaïr's aging, might be that there's also an aging program, and Desmond will look alike them in their ages. Safety and Peace, BrothersSchwarzkatz 23:50, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

Perhaps the resemblance is due to them having the same origin of their lines. It is possible they look alike because thye both look like members of TWCB? The pool for likely ancestors was rather small in that respect, what with the war and all, so they may likely have the same original ancestor, and thus the same inheritted features. I also believe, whatever is stated as the reason, the likely original reason would be that they base their models from CGI mapping of actor faces, and likely didn't want to hire an additional actor for the modelling...

Why is it that everyone gets so up in arms about it? It was an assumption made by the community, Ubi never said we were right. As for the 'great coincidence' bit, technically the convergent lines would have had to happen some time if both lines endured. An Desmond is the 'hero' the 'chosen one' and they often have some great origin. Yes, it's a great coincidence, because Desmond is a great (at least in terms of plot significance) character. I don't even think it's meant to be a twist of any sort, just the way they have it made. They never intended the two to be related and they had no reason to state otherwise because it didn't matter. The scene with Altair and Maria was likely to show that there would be no more Altair memories to access directly via the animus because the DNA had already been passed. The remaining Altair memories could then be controlled in their exposure and allow them to avoid the whole "just plug into Altair's memories with the apple and find everything out" route.

Whatever the reason or rhyme behind it, the ultimate question is: Why does it matter? They're both Desmond's ancestors and it could easily work that way, why does it matter how they're related beyond that? Desmond is technically the main character. 68.106.192.164 06:54, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

Why are people still talking about this? It's so easy to understand. Basically if you can understand how genes work than you will get this. Altair is from Desmonds Mom or Dad, Ezio is from the other Parents, Clay (subject 16) is a relative of that parent also. It was never said that Altair and Ezio were related and the whole reason why Desmond is so special is because he is the joining of two powerful Bloodlines e.g Altair and Ezio. All humans have the Potential to use Eagle vision just those certain genes happen to be more prominent in Altair's and Ezio's bloodline just like any other gene. The reason why Ezio looked the same as Altair is because the developers modelled them all off Desmonds model (They try and back this up by saying it was a lower version in the animus lol). Anyway this discussion is pretty pointless as it is just a minor fact plus it would be kind of unrealistic to have Ezio related to Altair what are the odds of two badass assasins being related to each other and Desmond? Crash911 13:57, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

I can understand now the twist in the plot about non related Ezio and Altair, Seems That Connor is half english/Half native-american, and there is only about 200 years to transform an italian family in an english one. I think that they will link altair family with connor (Maria Thorpe was english right?) and the nexus between ezio and altair lineage closer to the 20th century ""librarian""

Connor comes from a seperate bloodline that converges into Desmond. Altair, Ezio and Connor aren't ancestors/descendants of each other. Slate Vesper 10:32, June 6, 2012 (UTC)

Completely mind boggeling taking all of these ideas in my mind. I admit that I am disapointed that Ezio and Altair are not related directly, but I agree with those that claim it doesn't matter. Yes, I think it might have made a better story, and they would have had more options to continue the story, but I say we just drop this, look forward to AC:3, and find something else to rant about. :3 166.152.55.89 14:42, August 19, 2012 (UTC)