Again, in a story I'm trying to write (I hope this is not too repetitive), someone takes a Piece of Eden on his hands and try to use it, but nothing happens. Is it possible? I mean, WHO can use Pieces of Eden? Anybody? Or just the people with 1st Civilization genes? Soumaoro (talk) 19:20, August 16, 2012 (UTC)
- Uhm, no, Joker. Everybody can wield one, only people with high doses of First Civilization DNA can properly wield them. It likely has some unknown side effects on other people. There hasn't been a single person who touched a Piece of Eden and couldn't wield it. -- Master Sima Yi Clogs 19:26, August 16, 2012 (UTC)
Take a look at this:
I guess Pieces of Eden react primarily to people of First Civilization blood, but humans may use it based on their will and intent. Leonardo may not of activated the apple because of it was not his intent to show what the apple can do and the fact that he probably has very little First cilization blood. I believe he was able to interpret the knowledge because that was his mental will power and his intent to learn or something along those lines. AlexAdler (talk) 19:43, August 16, 2012 (UTC)
i thought it was made pretty clear that most first civ tech, including the PoE, requires first civ dna, the higher the concentration the easier it is to control.
Ægritudo Talk 19:53, August 16, 2012 (UTC)
Well remember that's a long list of people who've used them. Ghengis Kahn, Napolean, Washington, Elizabeth, Rodrigo Borgia, Ford, Hitler, Edison, Savonarola, and the assassins who killed Kennedy all were coincidentally of high First civilization blood? Not sure about that. But like it was said, in order to properly use them and not go mad you would probably have to be of higher concentration of first civilization DNA AlexAdler (talk) 20:13, August 16, 2012 (UTC)
well since almost everybody has some first civ dna, that large list is actually a very small percentage, and we dont know how much control any of them had, remember abbas could activate the apple but had no control over what happened. so it dosent strike me as very common or unrealistic.
Ægritudo Talk 20:59, August 16, 2012 (UTC)
Soumaoro, do not delete other people's messages. Everybody can use the Pieces of Eden to an extent, but not everyone can unlock their full potential. Rodrigo could use the Staff of Eden, but required Giovanni Borgia to fully unlock the potential of the Apple of Eden. The Apple of Eden didn't 'activate' every time Altaïr or Ezio touched it, so I don't see your point. -- Master Sima Yi Clogs 22:49, August 16, 2012 (UTC)
Oh hey, I was wondering where my message went <:
- Opinions aren't fact, facts are being sought for here. -- Master Sima Yi Clogs 22:54, August 16, 2012 (UTC)
- Are we not all trying to get to the facts?
- Since when you think about it, many had the Apple and used it, but not all had the same effect. Which is what I meant with Work and control it Why so serious? (talk) 22:55, August 16, 2012 (UTC)
- (Sorry man, that deletion was accidental)
- Master Sima Yi, I expressed myself badly...what I wanted to say is: at one point in my story, a Templar sent to retrieve a Piece of Eden finds it (he has never seen any before, though) and tries to activate it (simply by holding it in his hand and willing to activate the Piece). I wanted that in this scene, he could not activate it. Is it possible? Soumaoro (talk) 01:40, August 17, 2012 (UTC)
- Let me simplify things: I thought about a scene where a Templar (that has never seen a Piece before) finds a FAKE Piece and tries to activate it. Obviously, it doesn't work...but i want the Templar to think that it's normal, because not everybody can activate it...is it possible to do? Or I am asking too much? lol Soumaoro (talk) 01:54, August 17, 2012 (UTC)
- Why not? In Revelations, didn't William Miles say that he couldn't use it because of the lack of First Civ DNA? Yet Rodrigo Borgia could use it even though he had no known First Civ DNA. So, I guess the effect varies in degrees depending on who uses it. -- IlMualim Wanna Chat? 01:56, August 17, 2012 (UTC)
- Yeah, right? My idea came precisely from this statement from William! Soumaoro (talk) 02:02, August 17, 2012 (UTC)
- Great, then I think your idea in the story can work. :) -- IlMualim Wanna Chat? 02:11, August 17, 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks everybody for the answers until now. I also remembered that story when Giovanni retrieved the Skull from the Aztecs:
- Despite much examination, however, they were unable to discover how to use the Skull. After this, the other members of the Order began to doubt Giovanni's abilities, and merely dismissed the Skull as little more than an ornate treasure.
- So I guess that a person that have never seen a Piece before, can't recognize it instantly, right? Soumaoro (talk) 21:59, August 17, 2012 (UTC)
- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Still can't use enter >.< Wait, William Miles couldn't use the Apple, Sima. He said... Oh... I didn't see that people above said it. "Why not? In Revelations, didn't William Miles say that he couldn't use it because of the lack of First Civ DNA? Yet Rodrigo Borgia could use it even though he had no known First Civ DNA. So, I guess the effect varies in degrees depending on who uses it." Nice job IlMualim!!! 126.96.36.199 05:24, August 18, 2012 (UTC) (r3b0rn)
- But r3b0rn, I have to agree with Sima. He said:
- "Rodrigo could use the Staff of Eden, but required Giovanni Borgia to fully unlock the potential of the Apple of Eden"
- And Rodrigo didn't have 1st Civ. DNA. Not that we know, at least. So I guess everyone can use a Piece of Eden...but not everyone can unlock their full powers, right?
- (By the way, Sima, where did you find that Rodrigo needed Giovanni to unlock the Apple's potential? I couldn't find it)
- Soumaoro (talk) 15:53, August 18, 2012 (UTC)
William said "I don't think I have the right genes to properly wield it." The word "properly" serves a purpose. He doesn't have enough genes to put it to its correct use. And the Giovanni thing is from Chapter 2 - Giovanni Borgia, IIRC. -- Master Sima Yi Clogs 16:32, August 18, 2012 (UTC)
Not entirely on the ancestry though. AlMualim, Washington, Gandhi, and the guys that killed Kennedy couldn't all have had a high enough concentration of First Civ DNA right? Yet they used it to great effect. -- IlMualim Wanna Chat? 01:39, August 19, 2012 (UTC)
I wish to ask something here. When Ezio used the Apple, it made him weaker each time. But, Altair could use it without getting hurt. Why is that? Was it because the Apples were different, or Altair's skill or concentration of first civ DNA? Virus47 (talk) 04:10, August 20, 2012 (UTC)
Because Altair has more experience with the apple than Ezio, Altair uses his Apple in small dosages and with patience, while Ezio is having trouble using his Apple(maybe because it was his first time using it), or Altair has higher First civilization DNA than Ezio. Only my opinion. Kevinstyxk (talk) 06:26, August 20, 2012 (UTC)