I have a pet peeve about changing of storylines. When stories change in a game, it confuses people and eventually, makes people lose intrest all together. For example, there is a game about a certain female explorer whos story (and looks) have changed so much that fans of the series went "wait WTF?"
I'm pretty sure I've stated it on the forum how it irritated me how Altair and Ezio were not related. Now, it didn't necessarly affect me in the fact that they couldn't be Greeeeeeeeeeeeat grandfather and son, but the fact that I was set on a certain story and it was changed all of a sudden. Another thing that irritated me is how prior to ACR, ALL the articles even said that they were related, and now people are having some sort of amnesia as if the articles never stated that they were related. Well, I found something on the bottom of this page that states otherwise:
http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Assassin%27s_Creed_Wiki:Relevancy Ezio Auditore da Firenze was a descendant of Altaïr Ibn-La'Ahad and the ancestor to both... I understand that this is just an example of article relevancy, but this article was clearly made before the infamous lineage change (ACLineage-gate). It even says where the source of the information can be found. What is the point of changing things? It doesn't make it fun, it doesn't make it intresting, it's annoying. Again. MAJOR pet peeve of BuonaFortuna 10:41, June 18, 2012 (UTC)
- Ubisoft never stated that the two were related, everyone just assumed Altaïr and Ezio were related. Direct me to one Ubisoft statement prior to ACR that says they Ezio was a descendant of Altaïr.. -- ( • ) 11:07, June 18, 2012 (UTC)
- Game magazines often said in AC2 previews that Ezio was Altaïr's descendant. Neither Ubisoft or any game has explicitly stated that they are related, ever... And that page obviously hasn't been updated yet (the sentence also makes no sense). -- Master Sima Yi Clogs 11:36, June 18, 2012 (UTC)
- Yes there is nothing prior to the release of ACR but I have not seen this explained or discussed before; On the back of the ACR cover there is a short message that reads : I have always lived by the creed. My blades have dispensed death and justice in equal measure. Yet I am no closer to discovering the truth behind our order. So I must walk the path of my ancestor, Altair, in whose footsteps I will find my true purpose. That would prove that Ubisoft changed the story. Unless........ that passage was Desmond which would be weird. forgot to sign 18.104.22.168 11:43, June 18, 2012 (UTC)
- The cover of ACR was a mistake, they acknowledged that... Same as with a particular page in the Encyclopedia that says Altaïr is Ezio's descendant. Also, we are not Ubisoft employees, we don't write the story, we write only the articles based on various sources. The articles aren't the canon, the AC media are. -- Master Sima Yi Clogs 11:51, June 18, 2012 (UTC)
- I agree with BuonaFortuna, that is the same thing I was upset about in a different forum topic. By saying "they acknowledged making a mistake on the Revelations cover" it just magnifies what I have stated my issue is. That "mistake" would have never been made had they not initially intended for Altair and Ezio to be related. Then somewhere along the way they decided against it. At this point their credability with me is shot. Solo assassin 19:21, June 18, 2012 (UTC)
- Do you honestly think that every writer, especially a collective of writers, don't always change things after they had initially decided something else? Be realistic. This always happens, it's only more noticeable with Assassin's Creed because by now it is a big universe. None of the games ever state that Altaïr and Ezio are related, so it isn't a contradiction; the ACR cover (only the English one, for example the Dutch one doesn't say "my ancestor Altaïr") and the Encyclopedia were plain errors, and the game magazines had either been fed misinformation or had drawn their own conclusions. -- Master Sima Yi Clogs 19:26, June 18, 2012 (UTC)
- I guess you are right. I have only seen a collective group of writers be 100% accurate one time in the history of man. At the same time though once it is written it should stay as such. I understand everyone bounces ideas off one another, and that is how they should brainstorm, but after it has been published, put into the game, of made final in anyway it should remain just that: final.
- - on an unrelated topic, could you tell me how i can get my hands on an encylopedia??? and let me know if it sold in the United States?Solo assassin 20:24, June 18, 2012 (UTC)
- As I said, Altaïr and Ezio being related never was put in a game. You can get the Encyclopedia from www.ubiworkshop.com, but there is a second edition coming out in October. You can also pre-order a special AC3 Ubiworkshop Edition from there, which includes the second edition of the Encyclopedia and a bundle of Assassin's Creed: The Fall and Assassin's Creed: The Chain. -- Master Sima Yi Clogs 20:37, June 18, 2012 (UTC)
- Thank you for that information, I will definately look into that.
- One more unrelated topic:
- Today I finally got around to getting over to gamestop to pre-order Assassin's Creed III, but I was unable to get the collectable steel case. Appearently this gift was only for a limited time, which I was not aware of at all. Do you know if it will be possible to get the collectabe case by different means in the future??? Solo assassin 22:15, June 18, 2012 (UTC)
SIGH. EXTREME SIGH.
So basically the lineage-gate was a mistake. The game never stated that Altair and Ezio were relatives TRUE. But the interwebz thought otherwise because of false information written by anonymous. Ok, thanks for clearing that up. But that's also a fail; people READ this stuff, guys. They read this stuff and they're gonna believe that. When people read these articles, inside of their brain, a little mechanism goes off and people process this information. Which is it? Ubisoft made a mistake OR they weren't the ones that made up that story? Here's what confuses me, so no one from Ub. realized that the information that was posted was false? like really? no one debunked these myths prior to 3 games release? As for the mistake, it's just sloppy.
This just in, dinosaurs did NOT roam the earth millions of years ago, the Earth is NOT made up of mostly water, and B does NOT come after A. Despite everything we were taught in school, transformers actually roamed the Earth millions of years ago, the Earth is actually made of mostly Jell-o, and the symbol # comes after A, this was the truth all along, there was just a misprint in our texbooks. OOPS.
On another note, I also pre-ordered AC3, will I get the join or die edition? Despite my ranting, I really do love this franchise with all my heart, that's why I care so much XD BuonaFortuna 12:12, June 19, 2012 (UTC)
Why would they show that Maria is pregnant in Assassin's Creed II? It is an already known fact that Altair and Maria had a baby. Why show it if we already know it? It makes no sense whatsoever. Mr.Jackson1997
why are we talking about a game released years ago?and sure it's a well known fact now,but maybe then a lot of people didn't know that.Assassin of 81 22:10, June 19, 2012 (UTC)
Wow reading this thread was like beating a dead horse, with a dead horse. Storylines change as they want to evolve the story, people make mistakes. Shit happens. If it didn't I woudln't be here. As far as your arguement of people reading the info online and believing the info I think Vidic sums that up pretty well in the first game, "I believe there was a book that claimed the world was created in seven days. Best-seller too!" People also used to have in their textbooks the world was flat but I don't remember any boats following over the edge yet. Biohzrd87 01:29, June 20, 2012 (UTC)
@Assassin of 81 The reason I brought it up is because Ubisoft so heavily leaned toward the fact that Ezio was a descendant of Altair it almost could have been said outright that he was. Then they say "no, he wasn't".
@Biohzrd87 Storylines can change to evolve and it will still make sense only if they move forward with their original story instead of changing something in the past because it doesn't fit now. Think of it this way. If you've ever seen Southpark, you know that the character, Kenny dies in almost every episode. There once was a time where he stayed dead for a while, spanning several episodes. Then, he comes back and no one remembered he died. It's a flaw in their history. And the reason no boats fell over the edge is because no one wanted to die.Mr.Jackson1997
South Park is a sitcom and completely unrelated to Assassin's Creed. The writers of that show could care less about being accurate in most of what they do, their goal is make everybody laugh. I highly doubt anyone who watches the show tries to fit anything in a linear order or stress out about why it doesn't make sense.
- the world was created in 7 days (key word created) Vidic is an idiot, and his comment wasn't humorous to me. Solo assassin 04:02, June 20, 2012 (UTC)
@Solo assassin It isn't supposed to be related to it in anyway. I was comparing it to how they completley decide to forget the history of what happened. The fact that they so heavily leaned on the now debunked fact that Ezio was related to Altair and then say he wasn't. It doesn't matter in a sitcom. But when you do it linear story that the writers actually take seriously it is a huge flaw in the history. They go so far to make their story authentic, yet they change their own history. And yes, in the Christian religion the world was created in seven days. Nothing about that phrase is incorrect.Mr.Jackson1997
I am assuming you are Mr. Jackson1997... you forgot to sign your post. Anyway, everything you just said relating to sitcoms, history, Assassin's Creed, Altair, and Ezio is true. According to your most recent statement I don't get what we are arguing (for lack of a better word) about. The only thing i can say in response is you are correct in a sitcom it doesn't matter and nobody cares, but Assassin's Creed is not a sitcom and everybody cares. It's become obviously now that the writers have f***** up big time by changing this type of story in the process, and they should NOT do that! I can't speak for everyone else, but I am highly pissed off about it.
In all honesty I have gotten over the fact that that Altair and Ezio are not related. It changes nothing whether they are or not and actually gives the story more depth because they are not. In Ubisoft's defense they never did say the two were related, we just assumed they were although they allowed us to go on believing that. I guess it's like the old wise phrase goes... "fool me once, shame on you but fool me twice, shame on me." I for one won't get fooled again.
Since the whole Altair - Ezio lineage thing is getting rather old, it's the perfect time to talking about different details within the scope of the same topic. - Lucy is a templar... Excuse me, WTF!! When the hell did that happen??? Ubisoft had done it again, whether they tried to fool us or just plained screwed up. Either way it just adds fuel to my already burning fire about this very issue. Somebody please tell me that Ubisoft intended for Lucy to be a templar from the very beginning of Assassin's Creed...
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Anybody at all?
Going once, going twice...
I didn't think so!
That's the s*** i'm talking about. Just leave well enough alone, there is no reason to add new things, parts, or ideas. Yet it happens too damn often.
As far as the other statement goes, i'd rather not get into a religious disscussion with you. That's something we could do on facebook if it were that serious. Solo assassin 07:47, June 20, 2012 (UTC)
- "It's become obviously now that the writers have f***** up big time by changing this type of story in the process." Opinionated and simple... Obviously a group of experienced and professional writers deciding such a trivial thing has had some relevance, and it's not a decision they made without having given it some thought. Honestly, Altaïr and Ezio being related is way too easy in my opinion, and I've always preferred this way; makes each character stand on their own as well. The only people who have fucked up is the one who wrote the English ACR cover, one of the Encyclopedia writers and whoever it is that said Altaïr and Ezio were related pre-AC2. -- Master Sima Yi Clogs 09:26, June 20, 2012 (UTC)
Now I WILL admit, that whole "Lucy is a templar" thing did make me go " say WHAAAAAT?" <in stewie voice>, it was like that twist to a soap opera where the daughter is not really some guys daughter and stuff like that, plus I always knew that something was fishy with that chick...BuonaFortuna 12:24, June 20, 2012 (UTC)
@solo assassin I agree with you. I have gotten over the fact that Ezio and Altair are not related. It does add more depth to the story like you said, but I don't like the fact that they seem to be just making these things up as they go along and if it doesn't fit with what they want to do now, they ignore the past. Which factors in to the Lucy thing you're talking about.
Nothing pointed to Lucy being a Templar before and now out of the clear blue sky, she is and they expect us to just take it as it is? That seems too random for it to be believable. It's like they're making up this story as they go along. Which takes away from the intricate plan that will add up in the end. They're trying to throw us off from something, I think.
And I'm sorry. I wasn't trying to get into a religious argument with you. I just didn't see the error in "the world was created seven days"Mr.Jackson1997
- It was pointed to in Brotherhood. If you want to hear Jeffrey Yohalem, who wrote The Lost Archive, talk about it, watch this podcast. And please don't mind my voice and accent, I hate it enough as it is... -- Master Sima Yi Clogs 15:46, June 20, 2012 (UTC)
I thought that was a great podcast and you did the wiki proud. Most of your stuff was asked (or borrowed) by others and when you asked stuff or brought up an issue it was something the community really wanted to know. -- ► Kaloneous ◄ ♣HelpDesk♣ 16:08, June 20, 2012 (UTC)
@Master Sima Yi. I'm sorry but I'm not watching a video thats an hour and eighteen minutes long just to hear one thing. When was it pointed to in Brotherhood? Mr.Jackson1997
Mr.Jackson... it's all good, I wasn't mad or anything, I was just saying although I did have a response, this was neither the time or place to address such an issue. You are correct in what you said about, and how you said the state statement... (paraphrasing) "TO A SPECIFIC GROUP OF PEOPLE, the world was created in seven days." However when you quoted Vidic, I took it as you were saying his statement was a good source to consult to prove a point. I hear Vidic as being very sarcastic when his said what he said about "a book... best-seller too." Obviously I don't feel it should be made light of in that manner, and that's why I called Vidic an idiot. At the same time I don't know where you stand on the issue, so I wanted to avoid a potential conflict, argument, or a chance to offened you.
and I agree with about a the podcast. Sima more power to you! and i'm glad you do, but it couldn't be me. On the contrary I don't care how much or often they "pointed" to it in Brotherhood, they never once pointed to it in Assassin's Creed, or Assassin's Creed II. and there is the root of the f****** problem!!! (im cussing at ubisoft, not any of my fellow followers of the Assassin's Creed Wiki. Solo assassin 20:02, June 20, 2012 (UTC)
- Mr.Jackson1997, it's not just one thing, it's a very in-depth explanation of the story and how it came to being, and how it turned out to be what it was. And Kal, the others pretty much hijacked all my material, I'm not very experienced with those podcasts... :P The questions I did ask weren't all that important in my opinion though, but I had fun doing it. -- Master Sima Yi Clogs 21:26, June 20, 2012 (UTC)
- @solo assassin Alright. Thanks for forgiving me. I get a bit hot headed sometimes. You're an alright person.
- @Maste Sima Yi Which story? The story that went on in Brotherhood or in the Lost Archives? I'm confused about what you meant. Could you clarify for me please? Mr.Jackson1997
- @Master Sima Yi Then from what I can gather, they didn't point to it before. They said she was a Templar and gave a backstory for it in The Lost Archive. We had no prior knowledge before The Lost Archive that she was a Templar. Mr.Jackson1997
- It is called a plot twist, and it was hinted at before The Lost Archives, (it was specifically hinted in the end of ACB and by Juno). -- ► Kaloneous ◄ ♣HelpDesk♣ 14:25, June 21, 2012 (UTC)
- And the emails in Brotherhood, the ones Lucy received from William M. If you looked at the time they were sent, they were all sent during the night, thus being from a different timezone, with him for example having lunch at 2AM. Whereas the ones Shaun received from William M. were all sent during daytime; they were genuine, whereas the ones Lucy received were from an imposter, probably Vidic... -- Master Sima Yi Clogs 14:33, June 21, 2012 (UTC)
Just to let you know I have read the all the books, played all the released games and seen the movies. Altair and Ezio were not blood related until Desmonds parent's got together. The only wasy Ezio was connected to Altair was through the Brotherhood. As said in the book Assassin's Creed Revelations "There is nothing here but you , mio fratello (My Brother). After that there was another sentence stating Although Ezio was not blood related to Altair. But when you listen to the games, Shawn says at different times 'Ancestors' relating to Ezio and Altair. You can research it yourself if you don't believe me. —Preceding unsigned comment was added by 22.214.171.124 (talk · contr)
- Nothing has been said about when and/or where the Ibn-La'Ahad and Auditore bloodlines eventually meet; we don't know if they met at Desmond's parents, or further down the line. Also, sign your posts. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 21:16, June 20, 2012 (UTC)
Darby McDevitt states in an ACR Q&A video that Ezio and Altair are not related. 126.96.36.199 04:30, June 21, 2012 (UTC)
And this, my friends, is one of the fastest ways to open a can of worms on this site. BuonaFortuna 14:14, June 22, 2012 (UTC)
Ubisoft themselves have never officially stated that Altair and Ezio were related. The sentence on the back of Revelations' box was just their marketing team being derpy. Lukar115 21:28, June 30, 2012 (UTC)
Well according to an image here, anyway, Altair and Maria had two sons, one of whom, Darim, had a son named Domenico Auditore, who then had a son with an unknown name, who had Ilario, who had Giovanni who had Ezio!
So really, in my mind, the Auditore's are only two generations away from Altair! So of course they're related! And even right there it points out it's a direct relationship!!!
But I can see Ubisoft being a little wishywashy on the issue.
... Why would they have changed it, though? Vivienne North 10:38, July 3, 2012 (UTC)
- Altaïr and Ezio are not related and Darim is not Desmond's ancestor! Nowhere on the Wiki here does it say so, why do you people persist that the opposite is true? It's really, really annoying, people... That tree was made by one of our former admins, Assassin-Rayne, from before we knew that Altaïr and Ezio were not related and that Darim is not Desmond's ancestor; it's not an official Ubisoft image. If you want a most accurate family tree as we can get, look here. -- Master Sima Yi Clogs 10:46, July 3, 2012 (UTC)
- Sorry... I didn't mean to upset you. :c
- Thank you for the link.
- Vivienne North 11:22, July 3, 2012 (UTC)
Darim isn't Desmon's ancestor since he moved with his brother's, Sef's, family to Alexandria. Mentor Enrique de Fuerza 22:05, July 3, 2012 (Copenhagen)
but how did ezio see altair´s ghost in the beginning of revelations, if they arenßt related?188.8.131.52