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AC2- Florence

ACB- Rome

ACB DLC-Turin coordinates(43 39' 19"N, 75 27' 42"W)

They form a Pythagorean Triange(basically the right triangle) O___o

how do the makers figure this out soo weird


...Just finished The Da Vinci Disappearence.... {C

and during the game we can hear William speaking to another person about Desmond beeing in the why is he with William...or...was he with him all the time...??could it really be that all we know about the story so far is beeing told from Desmond beeing in an "Super Animus"??
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IIxxKABLExxII 15:28, March 8, 2011 (UTC)

um.... super animus? explain Zachariah Zuan 22:51, March 8, 2011 (UTC)


IIxxKABLExxll, did you manage to get the co-ordinates? I couldn't grab a pen quickly enough. Be interesting to type them into Google to find where exactly the vault is.

I'm itching to talk to someone about the ending. I feel that it answers more questions than the ending of ACB did.

The voices, I would say, are assassins who were trying to find the vault via Desmond, as they said, they got it and then sedated him. With the other voice saying he's gone too far or something I would presume the sedation is to prevent any further damage to him, showing that these people care about his well being.
{C He then went into a coma. Again, the first voice says that he will get out of this, he always does, showing that they care about his well being.

However, it confuses me as to how they know he always manages to get out of it. If he was only with these people from the end of ACB when he stabbed Lucy, that wouldn't make sense. He HAS to have been using an animus regularly with these two voices. Does this mean that there is more to it than we think. Not all is as it seems? IT'S LATER THAN YOU KNOW??

Do you know what I mean? These people must know much about Desmond and his ability to get out of 'it', meaning they must have spent conciderable time with him, meaning he must be with them more than we think. (Not just from the end of Brotherhood).
{C This bit is totally unsupported by any evidence or suggestions from the game, but I have a niggling feeling that something to do with 16 is going on here.

Can't wait to chat to you more about this new material.. :D Shaun 23:48, March 8, 2011 (UTC)

No. The voice at the end of The Da Vinci Disappearance is explained by the ending of the full game. It's got nothing to do with any "Super Animus". The "correct" order to play everything in is the full game, finish it up, watch the full credits, then play the DLC. Everything will make "sense" then. Moleculor 20:03, April 9, 2011 (UTC)


,,,,sorry for my bad english...i´m not a native ;)

those are definetly co-ordinates...N2474...or smth...will play that sequence again....another strange thing is that he is with william NOW...because when they first talk someone says "blablabla WILLIAM"...but...maybe he always was?maybe everything we saw so far had been told to us by desmond beeing in an animus...u know what i meen?maybe he always was in an animus at williams...and thats why "they" know that he always gets out of it...its like in the movie "inception" a dream in a dream in a dream...this could also explain the meening of "its later than u know"

maybe desmond is trapped between those multiple he is able to speek to 16...but who is 16...maybe this is the most interesting point here...

i think that everything has already happend...and maybe they try to change it or stop what will come

IIxxKABLExxII 00:05, March 9, 2011 (UTC)


got those co-ordinates

43 39' 19"N, 75 27' 42"W

type that in google map...weird :)))

IIxxKABLExxII 00:17, March 9, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks KABLE, Turin... A reference to The Shroud of Turin maybe? Wow. Seymour Rd to be exact, but I think it's more about the Turin part. Reckon the Shroud is in this particular vault? 00:33, March 9, 2011 (UTC)


yes...recognized that...but is that a crater on the left side??u see that?a green arrow is pointing on that hole...

if they were looking for this particular vault...then we´ll play the next part in US?present or past US?...could be interesting!

IIxxKABLExxII 00:43, March 9, 2011 (UTC)

Um... there still isn't any so-called ' SUPER-ANIMUS' yet
{C If there is a 'SUPER-ANIMUS' then why are we still seeing the animus 2.0 screen
{C the idea of a new Animus is ok but in AC:B .... NOT GOING TO HAPPEN
{C AC lll will probably show Desmond getting into a new Animus to reduce the Bleeding effect (from some sources)ACparkour 02:09, March 9, 2011 (UTC)

I can't believe there is an actual crater where the game says the vault is. Crazy! And I googled craters in Turin NY and there's nothing. How did guys in Montreal know about this/ find it to put it in the game? The develops never fail to amaze me! :D Shaun 10:20, March 9, 2011 (UTC)

I'm not certain, but when I looked at older maps of that location of Google Maps, I saw what looked to be a forest clearing with a creek running through it with no "crater"; perhaps the "crater" is some sort of small lake or pond (perhaps artificial). Besides, the coordinates could just be referring to the general area and not that exact spot. — M.C.Tales 23:46, March 14, 2011 (UTC)

I finished the DLC last night, came here to see if somebody had grabbed those coordinates, and just put them into google. That's come crazy stuff! Didn't one of the voices say they had the "location of the temple"? Would that be to find another Piece of Eden? Turin, NY would definitely lead me to believe it could be the shroud of Turin (which showed up as a Piece of Eden in Project Legacy memories).

Personally, I really don't think what we're seeing is somebody in an Animus replaying memories of somebody in an Animus. After seeing the Subject 16 memory/glitch/video/thing, I thought we were actually Desmond's son playing his father's memories, but obviously, now we know that it still is Desmond in the Animus (since the voices in the DLC here refer to him by name). Also, somebody has Desmond in an Animus to relive his own memories. If the William from the voices is the same William from Lucy and Shawn's emails, then he's been keeping close enough tabs on their progress with Desmond that I think he'd be able to safely say that Desmond always manages to get out of it.

Just my thoughts...

TheStick13 11:56, March 10, 2011 (UTC)


I think the voices are that of Willaim and another assassin. One possible theory is that "W.M" is actually Willaim Miles, remember in AC1 when Lucy didn't really know if Desmond's parents made it out or not? Willaim could be Willaim Miles; Desmond's father. He wouldn't have contacted Desmond because it would certainly cause Desmond tremendous stress due to the fact that Desmond viewed his parents not as "parents" but as his "wardens" and he was their "prisoner", Lucy would be a great go between because of her relationship with Desmond and Willaim, hence the email correspondence. This is only a theory. On another note, in AC1 when Desmond initially refused to help Vidic; Vidic threatened to induce a coma if Desmond didn't play along, kind of ironic that the people that Desmond sided with did (unintentional but still..) what his enemies only threatened to do. Also upon lsiteningly carefully to the first and second conversations of the DLC; in the first convo. one of the voices is addressed as Willaim, the second is unknown. And in the second (last) convo. there are three voices, the two from the first conversation and an additional older sounding man. Another note, at the end of the main storyline, during the credits, one of the voices sounds alot like the unknown man from the first dlc convo. One possible scenario is that Desmond was picked up by Subject 16 and the other man, Shaun and Rebecca went along too, and Desmond was put back into the machine. The reason Subject 16 is a possiblity because the man in the credits holds a position of authority and who else would be a better expert on how the Animus works than Subject 16. In the end all of these are just theories. Looks like we must wait till more DLC comes out or for AC3. 00:53, March 13, 2011 (UTC)


has anyone played the game again and reconed that there are some differences now?if u play ACB until u get to the DLC sequence there are no such two William talking to another person....??!!...theres only a new email...and someone saying "what the.."

i know many of u dont like/share my "Desmond Animus 2.0" theory but i cant get off this :)

Desmond Animus 2.0

IIxxKABLExxII 10:35, March 13, 2011 (UTC)


So what about that set of coordinates? It is a place in New York, called Turin. Does anyone here knows that particular area?

What's in there these days? Ah..I guess we need someone with history skills to find out more about its past

edit: seems to me that the location is awfully close (if not the same) as one of the assassins mark in that appears in the codex map. If what I say is true..we kind of already knew about the place.


edit: somebody noticed that the 3 points in the oceans will point to Roma/The Vatican when you fault over the map like a globe?

sorry for bad english 21:57, July 16, 2012 (UTC)

MiloE 14:33, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I think you're right MiloE, the places in the map marked with the Assassin Symbol should be the places where the temples are. 21:26, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

That means that will visit Norway, Central Asia and Africa at some point of the saga. 21:28, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

Where's the marker for the vault under the Colluseum in Rome?
{C Not saying anyone's wrong, just asking... :D

I'm not sure the map means that we will necessarily go to each marker though. The point of the last two games was to find out where the PoE was in order to get it before Abstego, I think the story will continue with that, and the prevention of the satallite launch/solar flare.

It is odd though, three of the eight markers are in the ocean. Maybe the land ones really are future locations for the game. Looks like sticking a few in the oceans to make the numbers up without implications that their locations will need to be visited.

Shaun 21:42, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

I think there is no Assassin Mark in Rome, because the Vatican Vault and the Colloseum Vault are just Vaults, not temples. The Vaults are the places where Those Who Came Before left clues to find the temples, including the Sixth Apple, and the temples, like the one placed in Turin, New York, have the mechanisms to save the world of the Sun. But this only what I think. I haven't read it in any place, it's just a thought. ;) 17:24, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

I have taken the time to measure the crater in Turin,NY using google maps at appox. 275ft x 400ft how acurate i may be is undetermined if we could get some one near Turin to update this we could get some more info.

i agree with the theory of william and this other individual knowing Desmond more and that he was in another idea is that desmond was captured and with a different animus reliving HIS OWN memories from recent events and it could be just a few days after he found the apple at the colosseum. something must've happened to shaun and rebecca while he was unconscious after stabbing lucy and they were attacked while trying to get him back to the van resulting in desmond being kidnapped and shaun and rebecca being left for dead...and through all the AC games it has been william and this other guy watching Desomond relive his memories over the last few weeks in an animus.
Phoenix.E3 14:43, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Just check this out guys...

Google Earth gives u the possibility to see older pictures from a place... And in 1998 there was no crater...

bildschirmfoto20110322u.png 15:58, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

It's funny that there is a city named Rome right next to Turin, NY. Nerdalicious123 19:55, March 24, 2011 (UTC)

There is also a city named after Florence right next to Turin and Rome in the NY state. But there is something more interesting, and this is that connecting the hole of the coordinates with Rome, New York, to the South and Florence, New York, to the West, the approximate distances results in an almost perfect Pythagorean Triangle!

You can see the information and the image that proves this in the trivia section of the "Temple of Pythagoras" page of this Wiki. If you haven't seen it yet. 20:20, March 24, 2011 (UTC)

If you zoom in at the maximum on bing maps the crater looks more like a lake. AssassinCreedFreak122 19:30, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

Living in Rome, NY I can almost guarantee that isn't a crater. Most likely it is a man made pond. PintoDragonTalk 19:17, March 28, 2011 (UTC)

Yup. Definitely a pond or lake. It's the same color as other bodies of water near by, and historical imaging shows the place dries up occasionally. Moleculor 04:25, April 10, 2011 (UTC)


Interesting finds, you guys really put your minds into this. Also I am pretty certain that the one of the voices were from one of the guys, which Lucy and others mailed with. If you check the mails they are mailing with some people from the outside as well.


Yeah one of the people is William M.AssassinCreedFreak122 20:57, March 29, 2011 (UTC)


Um... I'm not sure about that Super Animus thing. An Animus allows one to relive his ancestors' past through DNA memory, not one's own past through direct memory. My guess is that William and the other guy simply picked Desmond up after the events of AC:B and had to put him back into an Animus to keep him alive. What caused him to become comatose may have been, like the second guy states, the Animus itself, or it may have been the Apple. It IS after all said to be quite dangerous. Either way, I don't think that idea of Desmond having been in an Animus all this time works. Nice find about William's potential last name, though. I wouldn't be surprised if he turned out to be Desmond's dad. 04:56, March 30, 2011 (UTC)


I found this little piece of info off of another forum...but check out what is close...

Apparently Napoleon hid out in these forests nearby...from Assassins. This would tie in very nicely to the theory at the end of AC:B of the next one being set during the French Revolution!

Burton bandit 16:52, April 17, 2011 (UTC)


Thank you for helping me find those numbers. I figured out they were coordinates as soon as it was too late to write them down. Now it seems everyone here is a fan of google, and there's nothing wrong with that, but in this instance using another web based map search has helped clarify on this easter egg. By typing the same coordinates into Bing Maps I have found that the coordinates do not point to a crater, but rather a small body of water in the middle of the forest. If Ubisoft meant to identify this as the location of the NY temple, then the entrance must be somewhere under the water.

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Rocker2791 21:31, June 13, 2011 (UTC)


Hi all, I've compared Google's photo of the "crater/pond" with Bing's, and I've noticed one thing: Google's pond looks like a dry version of Bing's. Considering also that in 1998 the pond wasn't there, it may be an artificial tank or basin, which is alternatively filled and emptied. This is what I've discovered. 14:25, June 14, 2011 (UTC)

Hi guys, read thru this tread and something gave me a revelation. I remember reading in official playstation magazine we will be playing in a dried up water reservoir. So somebody was saying that this lake in turin ny dries up occacionally this could be spot on. What do you guys think? Furemir 20:42, June 14, 2011 (UTC) 17:27, June 14, 2011 (UTC) greetings subject 20


Hey everyone, really love the input you all had. Its great to know that such a game could cause so much discussion and not just about OH I GOT A HEAD SHOT.

But, remember that Desmond went mad in AC:B, or so to say the apple controlled him and he killed the girl. William and someone else obviously had to sedate him/control him in some way in fear that the apple will make him go berserk again. So, they were looking for these cordinates, while keeping desmond under control, almost like a prisoner, but only as a precaution so that nothing bad happens. So, yes, those people in the end of the Davinci thing do know him, and yes he always fights back and doesnt go crazy like subject 16. The voices dont have much to do, they are just there for show, like ezio is just hearing all his ancestors what not, this is noticable in the other ones too.

We are all assuming that the next game will take place in the North USA area. Others say that we will be going to asia, norway etc, but I think these temples were already robbed, destroyed, or already collected by wither factions, templars or assasins. But now the question is when in time are we going to go back, will it be the revolutionary time? probably, if you make this game to modern, you basically have splinter cell.


Hey remember to take a look at the topographical look of this area. The "lake" in question is on top of a hill and most of the area is under protection of a state forest presereve. A small area directly around the "lake" is not protected. IF there was a temple here, it would make sence that the area is protected except for the one way to bring in equipment. Wait, is AC real? I hope they talk about this location in Revelations.

November, 4th 2011 edited Indian0lore 17:17, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

i think its the coordinates of the farm where desmond grew up i mean think about it

Why would the pythagorean temple tell desmond to go where he grew up ? i mean he already knows where it is and plus william and his colleague said we got the coordinates to the temple. AssassinCreedFreak122 21:36, November 4, 2011 (UTC)

No, Desmond grew up in the black hills in Wyoming, which is where the farm is located. I do believe this is the location of a temple, probably with the shroud of turin in it. Or ubisoft just likes to mess with us greatly.

Those who have played Revelations should understand what I am about to say. When Desmond talks to Tinia, Tinia tells him about a, let's call it the "Grand Vault". All the vaults were used by TWCB to experiment and research different ways to save the world. All the information was transmitted to this Grand Vault. They did find the way to save the world but it was too late. Desmond is shown a large glowing map of he world and it zooms into a white glowing circle placed where NEW YORK is. I'm not sure if it was stated in the game but in the encyclopedia it is revealed that Desmond and CO travelled to NEW YORK. The coordinates in The Da Vinci Disappearance lead to Turin, NEW YORK. Now here is the interesting bit. When Desmond wakes up and says, "I know what to do." Bill goes and opens the back doors to the van. The camera clickly zooms in a vary nearby cave like structure and TWCB symbols are seen. Connect the dots, If a map of the locationg of the Grand Vault is shown near/in New York and Desmond and Co travel to New York and the coordinates in the Da Vinci Dissapearance (Note that Bill, Rebecca and Shaun watched this memory via Desmond just before they planned their trip :) ) point to Turin, New York, it is highly likely that this "Reservoir" is the very place that the Grand Vault is and where Desmond and Co are at the end of Revelations. WOAH! I need Assassin's Creed 3 because I strongly believe that they only have to walk about 20 metres to find the Grand Vault..... Undertaker96au 21:07, November 22, 2011 (UTC)Undertaker96au

So my friend and i decided to go on a roadtrip. We typed in the coordinates on google maps and got directions. drove 7 hours to a seymour road right by the mysterious looking black hole. i drive a small car and seymour rd is actually a dirst road that most small cars could not drive on. I parked at the top of a hill right before the road. We walked down the road and slowly navigated to the black hole. Turns out it is a small Lake. It was about 30 degrees when we went so it was frozen. I have pictures as proof, and traveled the area around the lake. did not find much, but it was a very interesting adventure and im glad i can say i saw it for myself.

P.S. If you have beaten Revelations and beleive that that is where they ended up at the end like i did, im not so sure of that anymore. It looks very convincing, but on my way there i checked all roads leading to the cooardinates and found no windmills like the ones in the endind cinematic. 18:20, December 7, 2011 (UTC)Danmass04 1:20, December 7, 2011

Maybe they have not been built in the "real world" yet? Like, just in 2012... XD DanleYelnaD 20:57, December 7, 2011 (UTC)

So one question those other assassin markers represent temples so if the one in turin new york is the grand temple what about the rest of them ? AssassinCreedFreak122 22:51, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

Undertaker, those are my thoughts exactly. When I read about the Da Vinci Disappearence, Turin, New York, etc., the first thing I thought about was the ending of Revelations. They were in Monterrogni/Rome during Brotherhood, but Desmond was passed out for a long time, so they easily could have flown to New York. A likely time period would be the late 19th century, which would fit with the time skip between iterations. If Desmond and crew are there during ACR, Desmond could relive his ancestor's memories and juxtapose them over what he is doing, a possible side effect of the Animus. I think that this location was too strongly hinted to be skipped by the developers. It would work perfectly. However, I have been to upstate New York, and it is... well... kind of empty and boring. Turin has a population of ~200 right now, and would have a lot less, and might have not have even been a city in the 1900s. It would take a few hours by car to get to New York, and they didn't have widely available cars until 1908. This leads me to believe that the game would be split into Desmond and ancestor settings, Desmonds taking place in Turin/New York, and the ancestors taking place in only New YorkMakatak7 17:54, February 4, 2012 (UTC)


Hey guys,happy year 2012!!

I'v watched the ACR walkthrough today,including the "Desmond's Journey",and i found some interesting details.

In memory3 ,it mentioned how Desmond left his family and escaped to NY.It gives the exact situation on the route when he ran out of the farm,also tells he walked for hours and it was in summer.I felt so far this game wants u to trace further into this location,if couldn't find much at the coordinates(43 39' 19"N, 75 27' 42"W),u guys can plan for another roadtrip inside the triangle area maybe? ;D Oscaracer 17:17, January 15, 2012 (UTC)

Desmond did not "escape" to NY. He was from the Black Hills in Wyoming. He went to other cities first, like Chicago, and hitchiked around. He eventually ended up in NY City. 05:23, January 16, 2012 (UTC)

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